Mother in law thing: is this normal?
"Super annoying, I don't like it when she does that... but I have already told her to stop her babying behaviour ... she will stop for a day but she always falls back into her old habits"
OK so he does have a lack of backbone when it comes to her, when he moves out the situation could resolve itself or she could come round constantly to criticise the way the house is being run.
Probably number 2.
If she steps on your toes and criticises the way you are handling your/his house you could just stand up for yourself and tell her to butt out,he won't do it so someone has to.
She is definitely babying them, but I would be more worried about what your boyfriend will be like living own his own/or with you. He may seem mature and capable from your perspective, because right now he still has her mothering him heavily; in her absence he may turn to you to do these things. This was my experience in my last relationship. When he no longer lived with her and we got a place, suddenly he was a helpless child. Hopefully, this won't be the case for your guy, but just be cautious.
Thank you for your advice. This really is what I am afraid of. He sees himself as a mature and capable person, but I notice little things in his behavior that make me think he avoids conflict or is afraid to stand up for what he really wants. For example, I will ask him what he wants to do next, and he will always say: 'whatever you want'. Cute answer, and I understand that he does this to please me, but that is also where the problem lies.
We were baking cookies this afternoon and his mom came up to him telling him how to take the cookies out of the oven. "Be careful, use both hands, hold it still.... now put it ever there". This is CRAZY imo (or am I the one that's crazy?).
Hm, yes those may be indicators of a bigger problem. Have you two experienced many arguments/fights? My ex was also someone who avoided conflict at all cost, and this can be really damaging to a relationship because it causes issues to go unresolved.
When he moves out, will you be living together? It may be best for him to live alone for a bit, as it would give you a clearer picture of how much responsibility he will take on.
I had two separate experiences with significant others whose mothers were very present in their lives, who turned out to be completely helpless. Stopped working, wouldn't clean... of course, I was dating narcissists [modeled on my father] then.
Something I always try [and struggle] to remember is that both people present in a relationship define the relationship.
He could object to her behavior - draw a boundary... and, all told, that may be part of the reason he's bought a house and is leaving the proverbial nest.
So, just because his mother wakes him and his brother up every morning - not necessarily bad.
It could be, like, a little ritual that is a remnant of their childhoods which makes them feel loved and supported.
Given my past experiences, if you are concerned, I would recommend examining the following:
1) Does he tell mom things about your relationship which make you uncomfortable, even if you ask him not to?
2) Does he expect her to do things for him (especially unstated things), and complain if she does not?
3) Does he treat her inappropriately (yelling, etc.) when she "mothers" him, rather than state his boundaries to her calmly?
4) Does he not know how to take care of himself (and especially, does he say he "can't" or that he "likes the way she does xyz"): can he not cook his own meals, wash his own clothes, do his own taxes, pay his own bills, clean?
...assuming, of course, he has the executive functioning capacity to theoretically be capable of those things.
Which, from your post, sounds likely.
You said she is a bit overbearing, and it really could just be that she is a bit overbearing, especially since she is facing an empty nest.
If I were you, I would feel encroached upon by someone giving wake up calls like that... but he may not.
Ultimately, I think you should be able to talk to him about behaviors of hers that bother you. When you do, you should feel like he is respectfully listening to you. He may not agree with you, but he should consider your feelings (at least as much as he considers hers), and he should try to compromise if necessary.
If you can have a healthy conversation about her behaviors, I think that's a good sign.
"Super annoying, I don't like it when she does that... but I have already told her to stop her babying behaviour ... she will stop for a day but she always falls back into her old habits"
OK so he does have a lack of backbone when it comes to her, when he moves out the situation could resolve itself or she could come round constantly to criticise the way the house is being run.
Probably number 2.
If she steps on your toes and criticises the way you are handling your/his house you could just stand up for yourself and tell her to butt out,he won't do it so someone has to.
This comes across as a bit negative, I'm basically advising you, not giving you any back handed insults. It could come across that way.
It's this. Does your bf own an alarm clock, and does he use it? If not, buy him one - maybe he'll get the hint.
If you can have a healthy conversation about her behaviors, I think that's a good sign.
I still got cooking-books when my kids where adults, she was quite a bit passif-agressif
both IL were quite intruisive, we had to get them off of our backs several times but it was hard for me bc I felt not very supported.
oh they were just doing GOOD ! !
If you can have a healthy conversation about her behaviors, I think that's a good sign.
I still got cooking-books when my kids where adults, she was quite a bit passif-agressif
both IL were quite intruisive, we had to get them off of our backs several times but it was hard for me bc I felt not very supported.
oh they were just doing GOOD ! !
That sounds incredibly unpleasant and invasive.
I hope with time you feel more supported and have more independence from them.
It's this. Does your bf own an alarm clock, and does he use it? If not, buy him one - maybe he'll get the hint.
He has a clock. He is perfectly capable of getting out of bed on his own. And even if he doesn't sometimes, it's still his own responsibility.
I have a different point of view on this. @OP I don't think your mother-in-law's relationship with her sons is unhealthy but I can well imagine your boyfriend's family functions differently than your own. From personal acquaintance I know that European men very often continue to live with their families until marriage. In North America, this is much more frowned on. I believe you are not originally from Europe so your reaction may be largely cultural.
As you have been together for 1.5 years, then you should know if you want to continue to be together. This does not seem like a good reason to end things and of course there are serious limits to how much you can change people.
It sounds to me as though your mother-in-law is actually trying to please you, she must very much care that you should think well of her and she probably considers you a bit exotic which makes her less sure of herself in this situation. I know how hard it is to empathize with another person's situation but I think this is how she feels - easier for me to recognize due to my age.
Please try to keep your mind open about this!
What you are saying is incorrect - men in Western and Northern Europe tend to Move out relatively quick, compared to the rest of the world. About my heritage: my mom is from the Caribbean (where People tend to stay with their parents much longer/have extend Family households) and my father is European. This makes me 50% European by origin and All European by upbriging/nationality.
I do think his mother is trying to please me in some ways but can't imagine a communication mismatch because of my percieved 'culture'.
So thanks for expressing An alternatieve view, I don't believe this to hold ground though.
No, they don't. It isn't seen as a failing for a man to live with his parents until he's married, and it isn't seen as a failing to remain single well into one's thirties. This is partly cultural, and partly due to high housing costs.
Although speaking of Spain while simultaneously drifting off topic - this has recently changed because so many young Spanish men and women have emigrated to Germany and elsewhere because there are no careers for them in Spain.
No, they don't. It isn't seen as a failing for a man to live with his parents until he's married, and it isn't seen as a failing to remain single well into one's thirties. This is partly cultural, and partly due to high housing costs.
In the us it's seen as failing. You're called a loser or not a real man.
Whole basement drewller stereotype.
With the crap economy most guys can't but the negativity about it is still there, i dont know that it'll ever be seen as OK.
No, they don't. It isn't seen as a failing for a man to live with his parents until he's married, and it isn't seen as a failing to remain single well into one's thirties. This is partly cultural, and partly due to high housing costs.
Compared to the rest of the world, especially collectivistic countries, they really DO move out young. It really is seen as failing to stick around with your parents after 25, unless you are handicapped in some way or don't have the money to Move out. Because of the crisis More Young People are choosing to stay with their parents longer; they cannot afford houding, that's true. But there is definitely still a stigma attached to it, at least in the Netherlands for sure. Many many young women will not even date a guy in his mid to late twenties still Living with mum and dad, even when it is for Financial reasons.
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Although speaking of Spain while simultaneously drifting off topic - this has recently changed because so many young Spanish men and women have emigrated to Germany and elsewhere because there are no careers for them in Spain.
It's very different in the South of Europe, absolutely.

