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19 Sep 2016, 7:27 pm

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8th Grade is approximately equivalent to about Form 2 in the UK's educational system, I believe.


I live in the UK, and "Form 2" leaves me none the wiser. I have never heard of school years referred to as "forms" except in old-fashioned 1940s fiction.

I suspect that when you say "the UK" you are probably actually referring to "England" because most foreigners tend to refer to England as though it were the entire UK, for some unknown reason.

"The UK" is a country comprised of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. Their education systems are different. Scotland doesn't even have a National Curriculum like England has. And when it comes to naming the different school years, the different countries have completely different naming systems.

Since there are so many different educational systems in the UK, there is no such thing as "the UK's" educational system. Scotland has its own educational system. England has another.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-23261286

From the following table, I see that the American "8th Grade" would be "S3" in Scotland and NI, and "Year 9" in England and Wales.

http://www.pearsonclinical.co.uk/Sitedo ... etoage.pdf



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19 Sep 2016, 7:29 pm

I said "I believe."

Thanks for the info.

Yes, I am aware of the separate educational systems within the UK.

I probably would have done better had I done cursory research.



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19 Sep 2016, 9:36 pm

It's going to hurt him.
There is no way to avoid that. Better to make it sharp and short.
That way he can get on with his life quicker.
If you drag it out, that can be far worse for him (he might then think ill of you).



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19 Sep 2016, 10:06 pm

thumbhole wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:

8th Grade is approximately equivalent to about Form 2 in the UK's educational system, I believe.


I live in the UK, and "Form 2" leaves me none the wiser. I have never heard of school years referred to as "forms" except in old-fashioned 1940s fiction.

I suspect that when you say "the UK" you are probably actually referring to "England" because most foreigners tend to refer to England as though it were the entire UK, for some unknown reason.

"The UK" is a country comprised of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. Their education systems are different. Scotland doesn't even have a National Curriculum like England has. And when it comes to naming the different school years, the different countries have completely different naming systems.

Since there are so many different educational systems in the UK, there is no such thing as "the UK's" educational system. Scotland has its own educational system. England has another.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-23261286

From the following table, I see that the American "8th Grade" would be "S3" in Scotland and NI, and "Year 9" in England and Wales.

http://www.pearsonclinical.co.uk/Sitedo ... etoage.pdf



I was schooled in the UK and was referred to as 'forms' growing up, it was 1st form - 6th form. with 4a and 4b and 5a and 5b... We were only acknowledged by our surname ( rarely if ever by our first) or a number that we were designated when i first arrived, my number was 159, so i was either 159 or Jones (not giving real last name ;) ) ( age 8-14)

I commend you Rachel! Its not easy and the fact you have reached out here to look for advice and answers shows the depths of integrity you have for wanting to do the right thing while causing minimal sensory overdrive for both parties! :) As has been mentioned by the wize 'OZ' kraftie, better to be straight forward and blunt but compassionate! :)



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20 Sep 2016, 12:33 am

^ Uncle, when you say "in the UK" do you mean in England? What decade was that? How dehumanising to be referred to as a number.



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20 Sep 2016, 1:19 am

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^ Uncle, when you say "in the UK" do you mean in England? What decade was that? How dehumanising to be referred to as a number.


Yes, was down in Devon, what decade???? lol not telling! hehe... Yeah it was a very difficult time considering i was also a full time boarder with extreme hearing difficulties, then add the other great things that come with being on the spectrum = a blooming nightmare! Was also the school that had corporal punishment. I didnt believe in that as such, the headmaster was strict but i had respect for him, unfortunately someone in my year some years later accused him of molestation ( i cant confirm or deny, but personally i dont think it happened with that headmaster as i was there often! also the lad in question was there often to and certain protocols were in place for that reason... I knew he had a serious grudge against him but i dont think the headmaster did the things he was accused of, however there were other staff there that did molest as i found out some years later from said individuals and went through numerous types of abuse myself... Unfortunately he got a number of years inside and that case changed the legalities of corporal punishment throughout the UK and in most part Europe too... Funny, i went back there some years later to teach and some staff were still there, lets just say they kept a wide berth from me!



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20 Sep 2016, 11:28 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
To tell you the truth: before I had a crush on my English teacher in 8th grade, at age 13, I had absolutely NO interest in literature.


haha :lol: !

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We were only acknowledged by our surname ( rarely if ever by our first) or a number that we were designated when i first arrived, my number was 159, so i was either 159 or Jones (not giving real last name ;) ) ( age 8-14)


Wow, that's like The Prisoner or something 8O ! Your schooldays sound truly awful :( ...

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I live in the UK, and "Form 2" leaves me none the wiser. I have never heard of school years referred to as "forms" except in old-fashioned 1940s fiction.


I was schooled in the UK not too long ago: high school years were numbered 7-11 from ages 11-16, and then 6th form from 16-18yo. All years were called forms when my parents went to school though (in England and Scotland), and that wasn't quite as far back as the '40s lol :lol:

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It's going to hurt him.
There is no way to avoid that. Better to make it sharp and short.
That way he can get on with his life quicker.
If you drag it out, that can be far worse for him (he might then think ill of you).


Gulp, you make it sound like an assassination! I will though, this advice seems to be the consensus so I am working on what I'm going to say.



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20 Sep 2016, 6:48 pm

No, but breaking up is not very nice. It can be messy. Even though sometimes it is mutual.
Try to do it in a public place, but not a restaurant, where they can throw an embarassing tantrum (some people do that). A park is good. And for those people breaking up with females, make sure they are well fed in the days leading up to the break up, they often stop eating for a day or so. Women can take things very hard.

Whatever you say, keep it short. And you don't have to tell them everything that is wrong with them.
Try to keep the helpful advice to a minimum, or very broad. Neurotypicals often don't react well to advice, especially the truth, even if they ask - they don't want to know.

Focus on stating something along the lines of; you're not into this relationship. Because, you're "looking for something different".
Something where, he can't try to promise to change, or is able to try to make you happy in the relationship.
The rejected partner, may cry, beg, and promise to change or make the relationship situation different, it's emotional blackmail. And sometimes it can be very difficult to deal with, even make the breakup a lot harder, or more drawn out. This can be worse with younger people.
You don't have to lie, but you could be general; you "want something different, but you don't know what it is". Or that you "need a change in your life", you're "restless and want a bit of freedom."



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21 Sep 2016, 3:20 pm

AngryAngryAngry wrote:
No, but breaking up is not very nice. It can be messy. Even though sometimes it is mutual.
Try to do it in a public place, but not a restaurant, where they can throw an embarassing tantrum (some people do that). A park is good. And for those people breaking up with females, make sure they are well fed in the days leading up to the break up, they often stop eating for a day or so. Women can take things very hard.

Whatever you say, keep it short. And you don't have to tell them everything that is wrong with them.
Try to keep the helpful advice to a minimum, or very broad. Neurotypicals often don't react well to advice, especially the truth, even if they ask - they don't want to know.

Focus on stating something along the lines of; you're not into this relationship. Because, you're "looking for something different".
Something where, he can't try to promise to change, or is able to try to make you happy in the relationship.
The rejected partner, may cry, beg, and promise to change or make the relationship situation different, it's emotional blackmail. And sometimes it can be very difficult to deal with, even make the breakup a lot harder, or more drawn out. This can be worse with younger people.
You don't have to lie, but you could be general; you "want something different, but you don't know what it is". Or that you "need a change in your life", you're "restless and want a bit of freedom."


I won't tell him anything that is wrong with him or give him any advice; he has been great to me and if I were a normal girl I'm sure I'd be head-over-heels by now. I'm just going to keep it brief, definitive, and with a small explanation about my emotional issues so that he knows there's nothing more he could have done. The public spaces bit sounds like a good idea, and I think your thing about keeping the other party well-fed doesn't exclusively go for females. My brother didn't eat for several days after his last break-up, and that kid loves to eat :lol: . Anyway I am a little worried this guy might try and bargain or ask what more he could do, but if I prepare myself for that I should be fine :? Thanks for the advice :)

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The rejected partner, may cry,


I hope he won't cry. I wouldn't know how to handle that at all 8O



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22 Sep 2016, 8:13 pm

Just wait a bit for the tears to subside. Explain your bit as best you can, then make a swift exit.
Your job is no longer to comfort him, that is for his friends and family to do now.

All the best, hope it's fairly straightforward.