Women As The Breadwinners
I don't argue that my wife does more chores, but definitely not all of them. I always help with shopping and cooking and often with laundry and washing dishes. I would love to have a dinner ready when I get home, but that rarely happens because my wife hates to cook.
Do you have kids?
No, we have no kids or pets. And we live in a studio so luckily there isn't a lot to clean.
And you're saying she doesn't have an outside job?
She studies. Three times a week she has 1.5 hour lectures.
Studying can mean many different things. I'm in school studying and at times it is harder than hell and takes up a lot of time. Is that what you mean by studying? Does she have a lot of free time?
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Darn, I flunked.
I don't argue that my wife does more chores, but definitely not all of them. I always help with shopping and cooking and often with laundry and washing dishes. I would love to have a dinner ready when I get home, but that rarely happens because my wife hates to cook.
Do you have kids?
No, we have no kids or pets. And we live in a studio so luckily there isn't a lot to clean.
And you're saying she doesn't have an outside job?
She studies. Three times a week she has 1.5 hour lectures.
Studying can mean many different things. I'm in school studying and at times it is harder than hell and takes up a lot of time. Is that what you mean by studying? Does she have a lot of free time?
It's a government funded course for language. My wife needs to pass language exam before she can work because she's a foreigner. She does have a lot of free time. In fact, she often complains to me and to others that she's bored and that she has too much free time.
I don't argue that my wife does more chores, but definitely not all of them. I always help with shopping and cooking and often with laundry and washing dishes. I would love to have a dinner ready when I get home, but that rarely happens because my wife hates to cook.
Do you have kids?
No, we have no kids or pets. And we live in a studio so luckily there isn't a lot to clean.
And you're saying she doesn't have an outside job?
She studies. Three times a week she has 1.5 hour lectures.
Studying can mean many different things. I'm in school studying and at times it is harder than hell and takes up a lot of time. Is that what you mean by studying? Does she have a lot of free time?
It's a government funded course for language. My wife needs to pass language exam before she can work because she's a foreigner. She does have a lot of free time. In fact, she often complains to me and to others that she's bored and that she has too much free time.
Then why can't she have the laundry done and dinner on the table by the time you get home since she has so much extra time that she would like to fill?
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Darn, I flunked.
You know what I would be doing? I would be doing all the household work that needed to get done and make sure a nice dinner was ready for you when you got home so you could relax and get prepared for your next day of work - especially if I had extra time on my hands. That would be my way of showing appreciation for all that you do for me by going to work and providing for me a roof over my head and food to eat and a chance to be able to study. That's why she should do those things for you, imo. It's not about if she likes to do them or not.
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Darn, I flunked.
The_Face_of_Boo
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nurseangela, a reasonable husband can never dare to tell a non-working wife to cook for him or to clean his clothes..etc because it may be taken in the wrong way and be accused as sexist and macho (it may be taken as if he's telling her place is in kitcken or woman being man's maid. ...or reviving old sexist notions ...etc), even if logically it's a totally fair division of tasks between a working and non-working partners. He may trigger in her some old passed grudges inherited from pre-equality days.
As for you, you can easily demand a non-working husband to do all these stuff, and the whole female society would applaud for you; no one is gonna accuse you that you're reviving some old sexist notions, in the contrast, they would call you very progressive.
So if the housewife is too lazy to cook or to clean, the best thing a husband can do is to shut up about it, and order some pizza, or hires a maid for this if he can afford it.
As for you, you can easily demand a non-working husband to do all these stuff, and the whole female society would applaud for you; no one is gonna accuse you that you're reviving some old sexist notions, in the contrast, they would call you very progressive.
So if the housewife is too lazy to cook or to clean, the best thing a husband can do is to shut up about it, and order some pizza, or hires a maid for this if he can afford it.
Your wife's opinion should be the only one that matters to you. The rest of the world can mind its own business.
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As for you, you can easily demand a non-working husband to do all these stuff, and the whole female society would applaud for you; no one is gonna accuse you that you're reviving some old sexist notions, in the contrast, they would call you very progressive.
So if the housewife is too lazy to cook or to clean, the best thing a husband can do is to shut up about it, and order some pizza, or hires a maid for this if he can afford it.
Your wife's opinion should be the only one that matters to you. The rest of the world can mind its own business.
I am talking about the wife's opinion mostly, if he suggests such things, she may take it in the wrong way like I explained above.
"The rest of world" would influence her opinions still, no one is totally isolated.
I don't see why women make such a big deal of staying at home. If I were married I'd rather do home chores and care for the kids instead of working as a man. And it's a very important job aswell because you are responsible for the next generation and you can really mess things up if you don't do it properly. Kids need that quality time with someone who enjoys caring for them and doesn't complain about what kind of work they could've done if it weren't for them. I would however be at a disadventage as a male though since women are better equipped when it comes to caring for kids, making it common in most cultures that women stay at home.
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My wife has long been the breadwinner in our house some 8 years now. I work fewer hours, but the extra money I pick up from time to time pays vastly more by the hour, so it's starting to even out. With more time on my hands, the stinky diapers, feeding, etc. all fell on me. But I doubled up on using that time also looking for ways to supplement our income. I kept busy. It's beginning to pay off!
Why I don't cook: actually, I DO cook, but only certain times and certain things. Before we got married, I used to cook all the time and I LOVED it. All kinds of pasta, meat dishes, any kind of gourmet burger you can imagine, meatloaf actually worth eating, creme brulee, all that.
Then we got married. First, she complained about my spaghetti. So I stopped making spaghetti. Then she complained that some of my meals took too long to prep and cook, so I stopped making those. And finally, she said that I got to cook all the time in MY kitchen, and this was HER kitchen. I didn't bother discussing the absurdity of this with her, I just accepted the fact my cooking days were over.
And that's why I don't cook anymore.
I'm limited to oatmeal, bread baking/pizza night, outdoor grilling, special occasions, and anything involving the electric pressure cooker.
I used to try to do housework. She complained that I "didn't do it right." And then when the house was a mess after I'd been taking care of the baby, she'd ask "What do you do all day?"
And then she complains about how she has to work all day and STILL has to take care of laundry, dishes, and kids, can't really rest at night, and still feels worn out on her way to work. Um...well, all I can say is I tried!
Overall we have a happy marriage. We have the usual ups and downs you can expect from any marriage. We disagree on things, I have to apologize for things beyond my control, I'm at the mercy of shifting moods, and all that. You can't get around that, not even in the best situations. By far, it doesn't remotely overshadow the joy, the laughter, the love, the companionship, the long rides, the vacations, the "family nights" when someone else cooks, the birthday parties, holidays, the awards days at school, the archery tournaments, the music, screaming at the top of our lungs whenever Journey is on the radio, slow dancing to "Wonderful Tonight," and all that. Just tuning out the noise and being together the way we were when we were dating.
Everything else is just sealing the foundation. I'd LIKE to feel more useful. Instead I end up just getting in the way and causing more misery than I would if I just leave things alone. Somehow I always end up paying for it in the end, because no one is going to end up taking the blame for their own part in creating this particular monster, the whole "Rho can't do anything right in the kitchen, can't do laundry, etc." thing. That's one of the few things I've just had to learn to tune out. Once I take more responsibility in the kitchen, I've taken over "her" kitchen. Once I start folding towels, I "didn't do it right." She will still complain. I will still be wrong. She will still be tired and stressed out either way. I'd always prefer being right to being happy. HOWEVER, it's THIS case I choose to make my only exception!
As for you, you can easily demand a non-working husband to do all these stuff, and the whole female society would applaud for you; no one is gonna accuse you that you're reviving some old sexist notions, in the contrast, they would call you very progressive.
So if the housewife is too lazy to cook or to clean, the best thing a husband can do is to shut up about it, and order some pizza, or hires a maid for this if he can afford it.
You shouldn't have to tell someone what to do or you married the wrong person. It is just common sense to want to help the other person out. I don't get this having to ask someone to do something. That is why marriages do not work very well anymore. A wife (if there are no kids) should be more than willing to cook and clean while her husband works instead of sitting on her ass doing nothing. This is what is wrong with the younger generation - no one knows their respected roles. And it is only common sense that if both work then they should do the household chores equally with men doing the more heavy work (usually outside) and women doing the inside work. A husband should just know that the trash needs to be taken out when it is full - not have to be asked a million times to do it - if it is lighter, I would have no problem doing it myself. Same with groceries - I would have no problem going to the store, but when I get back my husband should be helping to carry in the heavy stuff. These are things that people should just do - not have to be begged fifty million times to do them. If people would just do these little things, marriages would be much happier.
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Darn, I flunked.
You can blame the feminist movement for this - women make other women feel bad for staying home - and also people like Boo who say that going to work is more stressful. I think if there are kids involved, going to work would be a Godsend and a vacation. Anyone who doesn't believe that - watch Nanny 911. Kids are a pain to deal with.
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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
Why I don't cook: actually, I DO cook, but only certain times and certain things. Before we got married, I used to cook all the time and I LOVED it. All kinds of pasta, meat dishes, any kind of gourmet burger you can imagine, meatloaf actually worth eating, creme brulee, all that.
Then we got married. First, she complained about my spaghetti. So I stopped making spaghetti. Then she complained that some of my meals took too long to prep and cook, so I stopped making those. And finally, she said that I got to cook all the time in MY kitchen, and this was HER kitchen. I didn't bother discussing the absurdity of this with her, I just accepted the fact my cooking days were over.
And that's why I don't cook anymore.
I'm limited to oatmeal, bread baking/pizza night, outdoor grilling, special occasions, and anything involving the electric pressure cooker.
I used to try to do housework. She complained that I "didn't do it right." And then when the house was a mess after I'd been taking care of the baby, she'd ask "What do you do all day?"
And then she complains about how she has to work all day and STILL has to take care of laundry, dishes, and kids, can't really rest at night, and still feels worn out on her way to work. Um...well, all I can say is I tried!
Overall we have a happy marriage. We have the usual ups and downs you can expect from any marriage. We disagree on things, I have to apologize for things beyond my control, I'm at the mercy of shifting moods, and all that. You can't get around that, not even in the best situations. By far, it doesn't remotely overshadow the joy, the laughter, the love, the companionship, the long rides, the vacations, the "family nights" when someone else cooks, the birthday parties, holidays, the awards days at school, the archery tournaments, the music, screaming at the top of our lungs whenever Journey is on the radio, slow dancing to "Wonderful Tonight," and all that. Just tuning out the noise and being together the way we were when we were dating.
Everything else is just sealing the foundation. I'd LIKE to feel more useful. Instead I end up just getting in the way and causing more misery than I would if I just leave things alone. Somehow I always end up paying for it in the end, because no one is going to end up taking the blame for their own part in creating this particular monster, the whole "Rho can't do anything right in the kitchen, can't do laundry, etc." thing. That's one of the few things I've just had to learn to tune out. Once I take more responsibility in the kitchen, I've taken over "her" kitchen. Once I start folding towels, I "didn't do it right." She will still complain. I will still be wrong. She will still be tired and stressed out either way. I'd always prefer being right to being happy. HOWEVER, it's THIS case I choose to make my only exception!
It's too bad about the cooking. I'd be grateful to come home to a home cooked meal (or breakfast since I work nights). Maybe if you wanted to cook one of the dishes that take longer just start earlier? I think it was the way I was brought up - my Ma made dinner and we all just accepted what it was and ate it. Believe me, sometimes I didn't like what she made and may have groaned about it a little, but now I wished I had those homecooked meals. People don't know what they have until it's gone. When I lived at home with my parents while I was going to nursing school and working, I was grateful when my Ma would just do a simple thing such as heating the water up for my coffee.
I think couples should actually sit down and discuss who should do what chores and once it is decided then you just do those things without being asked. If one has extra time to do something nice for the other - like baking cookies or something, then do that. People should also periodically tell the other one how much they are appreciated and thank them for something that they do - like taking out the trash or making an extra tasty dish. No one thanks anyone anymore - they just take things and people for granted.
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Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
I've worked those type of hours and yes it's nice to have food handed to you when you get home.
If I was single and working those hours then I would have to do everything anyway.
I agree the household workload should be shared, but if I was a housewife I wouldn't appreciate the sentiments you expressed above being directed at me. I mean that you choose to be with your honey as they are... not everyone has the traditional life skills these days.
I think whatever household chores can be completed in a week in line with the persons physical abilities and health is reasonable. I mean if one person works those 70+ hours there should be time for the one at home to do activities for their own wellbeing, one person being exhausted is enough.
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Why I don't cook: actually, I DO cook, but only certain times and certain things. Before we got married, I used to cook all the time and I LOVED it. All kinds of pasta, meat dishes, any kind of gourmet burger you can imagine, meatloaf actually worth eating, creme brulee, all that.
Then we got married. First, she complained about my spaghetti. So I stopped making spaghetti. Then she complained that some of my meals took too long to prep and cook, so I stopped making those. And finally, she said that I got to cook all the time in MY kitchen, and this was HER kitchen. I didn't bother discussing the absurdity of this with her, I just accepted the fact my cooking days were over.
And that's why I don't cook anymore.
I'm limited to oatmeal, bread baking/pizza night, outdoor grilling, special occasions, and anything involving the electric pressure cooker.
I used to try to do housework. She complained that I "didn't do it right." And then when the house was a mess after I'd been taking care of the baby, she'd ask "What do you do all day?"
And then she complains about how she has to work all day and STILL has to take care of laundry, dishes, and kids, can't really rest at night, and still feels worn out on her way to work. Um...well, all I can say is I tried!
Overall we have a happy marriage. We have the usual ups and downs you can expect from any marriage. We disagree on things, I have to apologize for things beyond my control, I'm at the mercy of shifting moods, and all that. You can't get around that, not even in the best situations. By far, it doesn't remotely overshadow the joy, the laughter, the love, the companionship, the long rides, the vacations, the "family nights" when someone else cooks, the birthday parties, holidays, the awards days at school, the archery tournaments, the music, screaming at the top of our lungs whenever Journey is on the radio, slow dancing to "Wonderful Tonight," and all that. Just tuning out the noise and being together the way we were when we were dating.
Everything else is just sealing the foundation. I'd LIKE to feel more useful. Instead I end up just getting in the way and causing more misery than I would if I just leave things alone. Somehow I always end up paying for it in the end, because no one is going to end up taking the blame for their own part in creating this particular monster, the whole "Rho can't do anything right in the kitchen, can't do laundry, etc." thing. That's one of the few things I've just had to learn to tune out. Once I take more responsibility in the kitchen, I've taken over "her" kitchen. Once I start folding towels, I "didn't do it right." She will still complain. I will still be wrong. She will still be tired and stressed out either way. I'd always prefer being right to being happy. HOWEVER, it's THIS case I choose to make my only exception!
It's too bad about the cooking. I'd be grateful to come home to a home cooked meal (or breakfast since I work nights). Maybe if you wanted to cook one of the dishes that take longer just start earlier? I think it was the way I was brought up - my Ma made dinner and we all just accepted what it was and ate it. Believe me, sometimes I didn't like what she made and may have groaned about it a little, but now I wished I had those homecooked meals. People don't know what they have until it's gone. When I lived at home with my parents while I was going to nursing school and working, I was grateful when my Ma would just do a simple thing such as heating the water up for my coffee.
I think couples should actually sit down and discuss who should do what chores and once it is decided then you just do those things without being asked. If one has extra time to do something nice for the other - like baking cookies or something, then do that. People should also periodically tell the other one how much they are appreciated and thank them for something that they do - like taking out the trash or making an extra tasty dish. No one thanks anyone anymore - they just take things and people for granted.
Yeah, I miss the fun kitchen stuff. Maybe you can trade places with my wife?
Seriously, it really is a MINOR thing. And we've had that sit-down discussion more than once. It just doesn't work. We settled on our situation now because we found a balance that works for us. It's not perfect. But it's functional and keeps us from using the "D-word."
I've worked those type of hours and yes it's nice to have food handed to you when you get home.
If I was single and working those hours then I would have to do everything anyway.
I agree the household workload should be shared, but if I was a housewife I wouldn't appreciate the sentiments you expressed above being directed at me. I mean that you choose to be with your honey as they are... not everyone has the traditional life skills these days.
I think whatever household chores can be completed in a week in line with the persons physical abilities and health is reasonable. I mean if one person works those 70+ hours there should be time for the one at home to do activities for their own wellbeing, one person being exhausted is enough.
"One person being exhausted is enough"? What does that mean? That is how resentment builds. If both are pulling their own weight, then neither should really be "exhausted". This kind of mindset is why I am still single.
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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
