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Benjamin the Donkey
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25 Apr 2017, 7:04 am

Two words: Get out.


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25 Apr 2017, 1:48 pm

many thanks for the inputs everyone.

after some rough thinking, i have come to accept that tolerating abusive people is not only something i'm stupidly good at, but has been a trend for most of my life. i think i need to get out of this relationship and focus on working that out by myself for awhile.

easier said than done, but that is to be expected.



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25 Apr 2017, 1:51 pm

Once you break up with this guy. Are you going to look for another man to date or just take a break? Maybe you can try aspie guys.



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25 Apr 2017, 2:17 pm

Lately I've thought much the same about my parents & I'm only as far as making them aware of these types of behavior patterns. The physical side is always the major issue but the inconsistent oscillation between passive aggression & contrived apologies gets easy to spot after a while. Chief among the manipulators' cliches is the venerable "I don't want to fight" - every time I make a suggestion or statement my dad would rather not hear it's characterized as a microaggression & I'm the scapegoat before I know it unless I STOP HIM to say I'm not sticking around for yet more misdirection & BS. Remember your existence is not a provocation & defend yourself with reason or force if you need. These days if I see my family slipping into these routines I get in my car & drive away before they know where.


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25 Apr 2017, 4:58 pm

Definitely abuse. These are typically the first signs of a guy who will eventually turn into a "wife-beater". The whole "I don't remember" thing is a lie. This is coming from someone who used to be a xanax abuser. No matter how messed up you get, you can definitely remember fights that you got into the night before. No amount of alcohol/xanax/anything will turn you into a violent person. These aren't mind control potions.

My advice would be to break up with him.



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25 Apr 2017, 5:01 pm

EDIT: I read your earlier reply. Congrats on doing what so many people can't; getting out of a toxic relationship!



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25 Apr 2017, 5:27 pm

Corny wrote:
Once you break up with this guy. Are you going to look for another man to date or just take a break? Maybe you can try aspie guys.


actively looking for someone new after ending a significant 4 year relationship would a bad way to cope, and doesn't really appeal to me.

i'd be open to stumbling upon something really good, if that happens at some point, but i think i have some important issues to work on resolving first...my attraction to abusive people, for instance.



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25 Apr 2017, 5:32 pm

cberg wrote:
Lately I've thought much the same about my parents & I'm only as far as making them aware of these types of behavior patterns. The physical side is always the major issue but the inconsistent oscillation between passive aggression & contrived apologies gets easy to spot after a while. Chief among the manipulators' cliches is the venerable "I don't want to fight" - every time I make a suggestion or statement my dad would rather not hear it's characterized as a microaggression & I'm the scapegoat before I know it unless I STOP HIM to say I'm not sticking around for yet more misdirection & BS. Remember your existence is not a provocation & defend yourself with reason or force if you need. These days if I see my family slipping into these routines I get in my car & drive away before they know where.


the physical side is at least easier to interpret and react to while the mind games are more difficult to navigate. is stopping your dad from pulling you into a s**tshow and driving off instead helpful overall? or only short term?
perhaps rather than gamble on an offensive-defense, the most straightforward way to go about it is leaving them in the dust.



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25 Apr 2017, 5:36 pm

i'm not attracted to abusive people. they're attracted to me. i just had to detect (https://hubpages.com/relationships/Pred ... lationship ) and reject them often enough to be open when a good guy came along.



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25 Apr 2017, 5:36 pm

yungsavage wrote:
EDIT: I read your earlier reply. Congrats on doing what so many people can't; getting out of a toxic relationship!


i haven't done it yet, but thanks in advance.

its going to be a process as i have been cohabiting with him for 2 years and i'm expecting a mess.

i have been passively considering getting out of the relationship for some time but i am ashamed to say that i can't trust my logic or intuition in abusive situations.



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25 Apr 2017, 5:42 pm

Well unfortunately I've had to with both my folks although all too predictably I'd have to say my dad tends to set the more destructive precedents. I think simply detailing what I won't sit around for in one sentence & lighting the tires up if I so choose has greatly reduced the amount of negativity in my life.


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25 Apr 2017, 5:48 pm

cathylynn wrote:
i'm not attracted to abusive people. they're attracted to me. i just had to detect (https://hubpages.com/relationships/Pred ... lationship ) and reject them often enough to be open when a good guy came along.

linked article tells how to detect an abuser before becoming entangled.



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25 Apr 2017, 6:01 pm

cberg wrote:
Well unfortunately I've had to with both my folks although all too predictably I'd have to say my dad tends to set the more destructive precedents. I think simply detailing what I won't sit around for in one sentence & lighting the tires up if I so choose has greatly reduced the amount of negativity in my life.


so your car is like your life-boat/escape-pod from your parents?



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25 Apr 2017, 6:02 pm

cathylynn wrote:
i'm not attracted to abusive people. they're attracted to me. i just had to detect (https://hubpages.com/relationships/Pred ... lationship ) and reject them often enough to be open when a good guy came along.


interesting angle...thanks for the resource. i'm glad you've found your way out.
i find i'm able to relate past abusers to every key point.



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25 Apr 2017, 6:36 pm

Please dump him.There's a good chance that he is going to act even more aggressive and manipulative if he finds out you plan to break up with him, be prepared for that.


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25 Apr 2017, 6:45 pm

Spyoon wrote:
Please dump him.There's a good chance that he is going to act even more aggressive and manipulative if he finds out you plan to break up with him, be prepared for that.


that's why i plan on sorting out a new living arrangement, renting a truck so i don't have to take multiple trips, and breaking up with him only after i have my other stuff figured out.
i have experience saying i'll leave an abuser before i am able to leave swiftly, and it is not a good experience.

but still i am trying to prepare myself to deal with manipulative behavior during this break up, as this is inevitable.