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08 Aug 2017, 3:51 am

Guys, thank you so much for your responses. You really made me think. I don't know if I want to stay with him for the long run, however he did open up to me yesterday. He actually cried because he telt so ashamed of him self. Now that I know what went on in his mind I feel a lot better.



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08 Aug 2017, 5:11 am

Stay vigilant. Manipulative or abusive people often cry or play victim to force you to sympathize for them which makes them trick you into thinking you're wrong.



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08 Aug 2017, 8:47 am

l wil definitely stay vigilant, thanks.



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08 Aug 2017, 11:41 am

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He actually cried because he telt so ashamed of him self.

Please be wary of his crying. Crying----ESPECIALLY, a 30-year-old man, under these circumstances----is in the TOP 5 "tools" (manipulations), in a narcissist's "toolbox" (gaslighting, like I mentioned earlier, is another). It is, in-the-long-run, to make YOU feel guilty / bad about yourself----like, that you shouldn't've asked so much of him, or blamed him so much, or whatever. He MIGHT be SOOOOO playing you!!





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08 Aug 2017, 2:08 pm

Men usually don't cry easily; so I don't think he's faking it.



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09 Aug 2017, 2:18 pm

Sounds a bit like my ex-boyfriend... this kind of relationship can be so draining and frustrating. I also considered he might have been depressed, talked to him about it, but he refused any treatment or counselling.

He wanted to move into my place very fast, but I refused and encouraged him to try and start independent life on his own first (he lived with his mates in a single room and was using them for everything - from paying bills to driving him around everywhere) and then we could think about moving somewhere else together. I offered to help him with everything - finding a house, job, giving him some of my house things, kitchen equipment... Nah. He didn't even lift a finger, became even more pushy with moving-in idea so I broke up with him when I couldn't handle that anymore.

Hopefully your boyfriend is just genuinely depressed not an entitled, passive, lazy dick...

There are passive-aggressive "vulnerable" narcissists who use different strategies to extract all they want from people and they use pity and crying when their comfy position is challenged in any way. They can fake illness and misrepresent their difficulties and it's soooo easy to fall for that. That softens their partner and they can start "working on them" quicker... and they're back to their comfortable life.



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09 Aug 2017, 4:21 pm

I think one should be very careful about labeling people as narccisists, especially people who are depressed.

Anyways, this relationship is dead.



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09 Aug 2017, 6:12 pm

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Sounds a bit like my ex-boyfriend... this kind of relationship can be so draining and frustrating. I also considered he might have been depressed, talked to him about it, but he refused any treatment or counselling.

He wanted to move into my place very fast, but I refused and encouraged him to try and start independent life on his own first (he lived with his mates in a single room and was using them for everything - from paying bills to driving him around everywhere) and then we could think about moving somewhere else together. I offered to help him with everything - finding a house, job, giving him some of my house things, kitchen equipment... Nah. He didn't even lift a finger, became even more pushy with moving-in idea so I broke up with him when I couldn't handle that anymore.

Hopefully your boyfriend is just genuinely depressed not an entitled, passive, lazy dick...

There are passive-aggressive "vulnerable" narcissists who use different strategies to extract all they want from people and they use pity and crying when their comfy position is challenged in any way. They can fake illness and misrepresent their difficulties and it's soooo easy to fall for that. That softens their partner and they can start "working on them" quicker... and they're back to their comfortable life.


Why do women dislike lazy men. Most people are lazy now a days.
Or do you just not like him never helping?



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09 Aug 2017, 8:57 pm

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Why do women dislike lazy men. Most people are lazy now a days.
Or do you just not like him never helping?


Are you even kidding sly279?

Get out of this relationship. It will never change. This man is a fetus incapable of taking care of himself. If he cannot even care for himself, how can he care for you or for future children?? Run. Run fast. Don't look back.

Doesn't brush his teeth or bathe? Get the heck out.



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09 Aug 2017, 11:49 pm

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Why do women dislike lazy men. Most people are lazy now a days.
Or do you just not like him never helping?


Are you even kidding sly279?

Get out of this relationship. It will never change. This man is a fetus incapable of taking care of himself. If he cannot even care for himself, how can he care for you or for future children?? Run. Run fast. Don't look back.

Doesn't brush his teeth or bathe? Get the heck out.

No im not. Most people are lazy I've noticed. It's just different variations of lazy.
As a society technology has made us very lazy. Most people aren't out tilling their own farms for food:p
People are so lazy they won't even put stuff back in the right spot at stores. Oh and the funniest is when I see people get on at one bus stop only to get off at the next 20 feet later. Rather then walk that far.

My depression, anxiety and isolation has made me lazier I suspect. I use to walk most places and enjoyed it for most part(hot days I hated it)

I cook my own food, do my laundry, I don't clean my room except for when I have messaging with a girl which makes me happy) I rinse my dishes after I eat, clean the pots before I eat. I suspect if I was happy and in a relationship I'd probably be more of an neat freak with my room like how I am with the bathroom and kitchen but most days it's hard to care. I know I should clean it or take something to the recycling but I'm just like what's the point and roll over. I shower for work otherwise I'd probably let it slip more despite liking being clean. I'm bit germaphobic.

I fear cause I'm not constantly movOmg or excercizng women will just call me lazy and avoid me :(



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10 Aug 2017, 12:19 am

sly279 wrote:
RandomFox wrote:
Sounds a bit like my ex-boyfriend... this kind of relationship can be so draining and frustrating. I also considered he might have been depressed, talked to him about it, but he refused any treatment or counselling.

He wanted to move into my place very fast, but I refused and encouraged him to try and start independent life on his own first (he lived with his mates in a single room and was using them for everything - from paying bills to driving him around everywhere) and then we could think about moving somewhere else together. I offered to help him with everything - finding a house, job, giving him some of my house things, kitchen equipment... Nah. He didn't even lift a finger, became even more pushy with moving-in idea so I broke up with him when I couldn't handle that anymore.

Hopefully your boyfriend is just genuinely depressed not an entitled, passive, lazy dick...

There are passive-aggressive "vulnerable" narcissists who use different strategies to extract all they want from people and they use pity and crying when their comfy position is challenged in any way. They can fake illness and misrepresent their difficulties and it's soooo easy to fall for that. That softens their partner and they can start "working on them" quicker... and they're back to their comfortable life.


Why do women dislike lazy men. Most people are lazy now a days.
Or do you just not like him never helping?


For the same reason men dislike lazy women. My friend dumped one of his girlfriends for being lazy because he was tired of working all day and then coming home time find that she just watched TV all day and expected him to not only work full time but do the cooking and cleaning. His current girlfriend keeps higher standards.



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10 Aug 2017, 12:46 am

Chronos wrote:
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RandomFox wrote:
Sounds a bit like my ex-boyfriend... this kind of relationship can be so draining and frustrating. I also considered he might have been depressed, talked to him about it, but he refused any treatment or counselling.

He wanted to move into my place very fast, but I refused and encouraged him to try and start independent life on his own first (he lived with his mates in a single room and was using them for everything - from paying bills to driving him around everywhere) and then we could think about moving somewhere else together. I offered to help him with everything - finding a house, job, giving him some of my house things, kitchen equipment... Nah. He didn't even lift a finger, became even more pushy with moving-in idea so I broke up with him when I couldn't handle that anymore.

Hopefully your boyfriend is just genuinely depressed not an entitled, passive, lazy dick...

There are passive-aggressive "vulnerable" narcissists who use different strategies to extract all they want from people and they use pity and crying when their comfy position is challenged in any way. They can fake illness and misrepresent their difficulties and it's soooo easy to fall for that. That softens their partner and they can start "working on them" quicker... and they're back to their comfortable life.


Why do women dislike lazy men. Most people are lazy now a days.
Or do you just not like him never helping?


For the same reason men dislike lazy women. My friend dumped one of his girlfriends for being lazy because he was tired of working all day and then coming home time find that she just watched TV all day and expected him to not only work full time but do the cooking and cleaning. His current girlfriend keeps higher standards.


Everyday? I'd be fine cooking every other day. I wouldn't mind s girl who watches tv every day. I'd prefer that to one who works out at the gym for hours after work every day. Or goes fishing or hunting a lot.
But I wouldn't want to be a girls butler. Probably be fine doing her laundry, although my folding is not great.



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10 Aug 2017, 12:53 am

sly279 wrote:
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sly279 wrote:
RandomFox wrote:
Sounds a bit like my ex-boyfriend... this kind of relationship can be so draining and frustrating. I also considered he might have been depressed, talked to him about it, but he refused any treatment or counselling.

He wanted to move into my place very fast, but I refused and encouraged him to try and start independent life on his own first (he lived with his mates in a single room and was using them for everything - from paying bills to driving him around everywhere) and then we could think about moving somewhere else together. I offered to help him with everything - finding a house, job, giving him some of my house things, kitchen equipment... Nah. He didn't even lift a finger, became even more pushy with moving-in idea so I broke up with him when I couldn't handle that anymore.

Hopefully your boyfriend is just genuinely depressed not an entitled, passive, lazy dick...

There are passive-aggressive "vulnerable" narcissists who use different strategies to extract all they want from people and they use pity and crying when their comfy position is challenged in any way. They can fake illness and misrepresent their difficulties and it's soooo easy to fall for that. That softens their partner and they can start "working on them" quicker... and they're back to their comfortable life.


Why do women dislike lazy men. Most people are lazy now a days.
Or do you just not like him never helping?


For the same reason men dislike lazy women. My friend dumped one of his girlfriends for being lazy because he was tired of working all day and then coming home time find that she just watched TV all day and expected him to not only work full time but do the cooking and cleaning. His current girlfriend keeps higher standards.


Everyday? I'd be fine cooking every other day. I wouldn't mind s girl who watches tv every day. I'd prefer that to one who works out at the gym for hours after work every day. Or goes fishing or hunting a lot.
But I wouldn't want to be a girls butler. Probably be fine doing her laundry, although my folding is not great.


At least every weekday. He didn't want a woman child.



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10 Aug 2017, 12:55 am

Chronos wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Chronos wrote:
sly279 wrote:
RandomFox wrote:
Sounds a bit like my ex-boyfriend... this kind of relationship can be so draining and frustrating. I also considered he might have been depressed, talked to him about it, but he refused any treatment or counselling.

He wanted to move into my place very fast, but I refused and encouraged him to try and start independent life on his own first (he lived with his mates in a single room and was using them for everything - from paying bills to driving him around everywhere) and then we could think about moving somewhere else together. I offered to help him with everything - finding a house, job, giving him some of my house things, kitchen equipment... Nah. He didn't even lift a finger, became even more pushy with moving-in idea so I broke up with him when I couldn't handle that anymore.

Hopefully your boyfriend is just genuinely depressed not an entitled, passive, lazy dick...

There are passive-aggressive "vulnerable" narcissists who use different strategies to extract all they want from people and they use pity and crying when their comfy position is challenged in any way. They can fake illness and misrepresent their difficulties and it's soooo easy to fall for that. That softens their partner and they can start "working on them" quicker... and they're back to their comfortable life.


Why do women dislike lazy men. Most people are lazy now a days.
Or do you just not like him never helping?


For the same reason men dislike lazy women. My friend dumped one of his girlfriends for being lazy because he was tired of working all day and then coming home time find that she just watched TV all day and expected him to not only work full time but do the cooking and cleaning. His current girlfriend keeps higher standards.


Everyday? I'd be fine cooking every other day. I wouldn't mind s girl who watches tv every day. I'd prefer that to one who works out at the gym for hours after work every day. Or goes fishing or hunting a lot.
But I wouldn't want to be a girls butler. Probably be fine doing her laundry, although my folding is not great.


At least every weekday. He didn't want a woman child.

Mean if she can't even throw in a frozen pizza that'd be irritating



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10 Aug 2017, 1:49 am

You're right Sly, most people are lazy and dysfunctional with their home when single, and most people become much less lazy when in love.

The OPs boyfriend honestly isn't that much more lazy than the average single male in his early to late 20s.

Its amazing how lazy and disgusting single.men ad women can get and I find it disgusting people actually encourage it, with young women making jokes about how being single = dont have to shave legs or armpits, can leave uncleaned dildo and used tampons lying around their apartment, don't have to use deodorant anymore.

F*cking disgusting.

Single men are no better, telling me about how they can leave socks or shirts with their c*m lying around and stuff.

Especially so many of the of the in my family.

Their houses are dirty and disgusting even when they're in a relationship. Dust everywhere, no rubbish bins, not even any handwash or bar of soap in the bathroom, horrible amount of dirty clothes lying around on the floor, etc. Yet they all get reldtiondhips easily while i live in the cleanest house in the whole family thanks to me and my parents.



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10 Aug 2017, 2:11 am

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You're right Sly, most people are lazy and dysfunctional with their home when single, and most people become much less lazy when in love.

The OPs boyfriend honestly isn't that much more lazy than the average single male in his early to late 20s.

Its amazing how lazy and disgusting single.men ad women can get and I find it disgusting people actually encourage it, with young women making jokes about how being single = dont have to shave legs or armpits, can leave uncleaned dildo and used tampons lying around their apartment, don't have to use deodorant anymore.

F*cking disgusting.

Single men are no better, telling me about how they can leave socks or shirts with their c*m lying around and stuff.

Especially so many of the of the in my family.

Their houses are dirty and disgusting even when they're in a relationship. Dust everywhere, no rubbish bins, not even any handwash or bar of soap in the bathroom, horrible amount of dirty clothes lying around on the floor, etc. Yet they all get reldtiondhips easily while i live in the cleanest house in the whole family thanks to me and my parents.

Well people don't talk to me about such things, but I've noticed women's bathrooms tend to be messy with makeup and hair products all over. My sisters is spreading into my and moms bathroom too no. My stuff I keep in a box in my room and get it out when I shave. I rinse my bath soap and shampoo bar off after I shower.