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26 Feb 2018, 2:38 pm

To be honest I am at pretty much same spot as you dating-wise, except I am still studying and live with housemates on a shared flat, and I have been able to pull off dates still. I was actually contacted by a surprisingly pretty girl who happens to also like movies and video-gaming and we will be meeting this week to have a few drinks on (she also likes to have a beer from time to time).

All I'm saying is that you gotta make yourself appear as datable as possible in your situation, a.k.a try to turn your negatives into positives in her eyes. If you look as good as you say and can act confident I don't think you will have too many issues.



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26 Feb 2018, 2:45 pm

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-makes minimum wage
-my job bagging groceries
-still lives with parents at the age of 34 rent free
-handsome devil with a great personality and funny
-has a 1/10 voice and speech impediment.

Dude! don't want to be rude but I think you answered your own question
It's like a guy with no legs looking for somebody to go mountain climbing with...it's possible to take to that person on the journey but you got to carry him most of the way



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26 Feb 2018, 3:38 pm

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ltcvnzl wrote:
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-makes minimum wage
-my job bagging groceries
-still lives with parents at the age of 34 rent free


this is irrelevant

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-handsome devil with a great personality and funny
-has a 1/10 voice and speech impediment.


this is quite subjective matter which i should judge by myself.

it's very difficult to answer if i would date or not you because that's not how dating works.
but i guess if i'd agree that you had a great personality and is funny, i would answer yes but i don't know you.

For many women in the us. It’s very irrelevant and a deal breaker. Women in the US want men with their life together which means having good paying job, their own place and a good car.
Min wage by definition isn’t a good paying job.

To the op it’s a harsh world out there for men like us.


i'm not in the US so i can't answer for it, but here there is also guys who thinks this way and i just feel they are focusing on the wrong kind of women.

there is women who wants a man as provider? yes, for sure. i don't want to deny it, a lot of our society is based on this idea. but also there is a lot of women who don't want to play by this rules, and want someone nice to build a life together in case of a serious relationship, or in a dating only scenario, someone nice to spend time with – how much you earn don't affect this a lot.

if you focus too much on the fact that you work on x and that's why you can't have a women, you're probably not creating an attractive personality for the kind of women who wouldn't care about it, as they probably don't like to be generalized by something they aren't.


Some maybe want a provider, but a lot including women on wp. Want a guy who makes as much as them or more. They say it’s about living the lifestyle they desire and s guy making less who doesn’t have his life together not being able to do that. They want a guy who can afford a 4 bedroom house, two new cars, and vacations to Europe few times a year. Where as I’m content with no car, staying in my town maybe going to the coast once a year. The US is very superficial and materialistic. It’s all about your status, what you own etc. people fight with each other over what kind of $1,000 phone they have.

I’ve never seen or met a woman besides few on wp who don’t care, that’s the honest truth. Out of tens of thousands of profiles I’ve seen and hundreds I’ve met. Most women don’t see wanting a guy with his life together as superficial even here in wrong planet. But a guy who wants a thin blond woman they say is very superficial, message is it’s not ok to only like certain women based on their physical form but it’s completely fine to only like certain men based on how much money they make. No they aren’t gold diggers. Thayer require them going after rich men. Honestly it’s cause everyone is raised to want middle class lifestyle, ut less then half the nation is middle class and shrinking. So how can everyone epexct to be middle class? Who will do the many service jobs required to keep society running? Those middle class people need retail works or they get utterly lost and confused on what I’d consider simple stuff. They need trash collectors, janitors,bank tellers, waiters,cooks, etc. world runs because of low paid lower class workers, it’d ground to a halt without us, but most women even those working said jobs won’t date low men, cause they desire to be middle class. I’d love to be middle class and date a cute thin small woman, not going happen. In my opinion most women are crazy in the sense they hold on to unobtainable dreams so tightly they refuse to date men who’d make them happy in all other ways besides income status.

How would I find women who don’t care about mans life being together if they don’t go online?

Why did we allow society to define life together as meaning middle class with two cars and a home? Why do we belittle 1/3 of the nation for not being middle class. On the news we here middle class this middle class that, all anyone cares about is the middle class in this country. I hate the middle class. I hate that they all that matters besides the rich. The middle class blames us poor for all their problems too all while relying on us to keep their life going. Everything they use, eat, etc is made by lower class poor people.

So i dont know but if yiu make a male account in any dating site in America you’ll find most women say at the bottom thst to message they’d yiu must have: good job, car, home.

Or their say I have my life together and you must too.
FYI I wouldn’t say someone working two jobs, so they can pay for a car and house have their life together but I too shy and respectful of them saying I can’t message them to tell them. Why do they put themselves through such crap and lose so much sleep so they can have status symbols?



Get over yourself. First of all most of those jobs you listed can be worked by college students younger people in their early-mid 20s or college grads. I knew many people in those categories who struggled to get part-time work so I don't think we'd have a real shortage. Secondly even if someone doesn't attend school or they drop out they can still get promotions. Thirdly, as long as you don't intend to stay in a job like that and are getting an education/certificates/gunning for a promotion/looking for better work etc, it isn't a deal breaker, especially if you take care of yourself

Notice the bold? You don't want a woman you want a cute thin woman. I saw your other posts and you are overweight and are not actively networking or earning certifications to find a better position. So please stop blaming your problems on shallow women or the US being materialistic and stop complaining that the us doesn't appreciate working class people enough.

Also retail workers are annoying as they try to push you to buy better (spend more) than what you need and nobody gets confused at a store.



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26 Feb 2018, 6:10 pm

That’s the idea I however find chubby women quite attractive and would love them just as much.
I already know what a horrible worthless loser I am and that I need to die you didn’t need to tell me.

I’ll keep blaming superficial women. Sorry a woman who is in the same situation as me or worse who believes she’s better then me is superficial anyone who dates based if income or status is superficial.

If you don’t think the USA caring more about their new phone or car then people dying and starving or wanting to run people over to save a minute or two isn’t materialistic then your part of the problem. The USA is super materialistic we care too much about things and having the new best thing.



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26 Feb 2018, 6:21 pm

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... I already know what a horrible worthless loser I am ...

... a woman who is in the same situation as me or worse who believes she’s better then me is superficial ...

So, she should think she's a worthless loser? Almost every person in the same situation as you would believe they are better than what you believe you are. You have about the lowest opinion of yourself that is possible, and it's an inaccurate opinion, and I don't think you should expect others in your situation to share in your trait of warped self-perception.

And yes, I know that's not what you were trying to say. But your arguments fall apart when you contradict yourself due to your false core beliefs.



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26 Feb 2018, 6:23 pm

You don't need to be middle class to get a girlfriend or else there wouldn't be any poor guys with girlfriends.


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26 Feb 2018, 7:39 pm

There are many poor guys with girlfriends----and vice versa.



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26 Feb 2018, 8:09 pm

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26 Feb 2018, 8:11 pm

I don't think adopting some ideology which precludes you (theoretically) from having a girlfriend is good.

The ideology, moreover, is probably not a "true" ideology.



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26 Feb 2018, 8:58 pm

yellowtamarin wrote:
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... I already know what a horrible worthless loser I am ...

... a woman who is in the same situation as me or worse who believes she’s better then me is superficial ...

So, she should think she's a worthless loser? Almost every person in the same situation as you would believe they are better than what you believe you are. You have about the lowest opinion of yourself that is possible, and it's an inaccurate opinion, and I don't think you should expect others in your situation to share in your trait of warped self-perception.

And yes, I know that's not what you were trying to say. But your arguments fall apart when you contradict yourself due to your false core beliefs.


It’s womens opinion not mine I just stopped resisting it.
No I wouldn’t want them to think they worthless it’d just be nice if they didn’t think they better then men in the same situation just cause they were born female.

I’d like to ask what would you do if everywhere you went online and in person to an extent men were just like you’re not a real woman cause you’re not _____

Wouldn’t it eventually get to you



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26 Feb 2018, 9:11 pm

I don't know too many women who think they're better than men----truthfully I don't.



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26 Feb 2018, 9:24 pm

sly279 wrote:
That’s the idea I however find chubby women quite attractive and would love them just as much.
I already know what a horrible worthless loser I am and that I need to die you didn’t need to tell me.

I’ll keep blaming superficial women. Sorry a woman who is in the same situation as me or worse who believes she’s better then me is superficial anyone who dates based if income or status is superficial.

If you don’t think the USA caring more about their new phone or car then people dying and starving or wanting to run people over to save a minute or two isn’t materialistic then your part of the problem. The USA is super materialistic we care too much about things and having the new best thing.



Do you want to continue being a worthless loser or do you want to change and become someone women want to date? Also where the f**k do you live that someone will run someone over to save a minute?



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26 Feb 2018, 9:49 pm

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I don't know too many women who think they're better than men----truthfully I don't.

Not all men just men who aren’t real men as they put it.

Every where I go there’s women saying I’m not good enough cause of my job and how I need to get a good paying job and get my life together.

Just like women say I just wanna be loved for who I am



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26 Feb 2018, 9:55 pm

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26 Feb 2018, 10:08 pm

sly279 wrote:
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... I already know what a horrible worthless loser I am ...

... a woman who is in the same situation as me or worse who believes she’s better then me is superficial ...

So, she should think she's a worthless loser? Almost every person in the same situation as you would believe they are better than what you believe you are. You have about the lowest opinion of yourself that is possible, and it's an inaccurate opinion, and I don't think you should expect others in your situation to share in your trait of warped self-perception.

And yes, I know that's not what you were trying to say. But your arguments fall apart when you contradict yourself due to your false core beliefs.


It’s womens opinion not mine I just stopped resisting it.
No I wouldn’t want them to think they worthless it’d just be nice if they didn’t think they better then men in the same situation just cause they were born female.

I’d like to ask what would you do if everywhere you went online and in person to an extent men were just like you’re not a real woman cause you’re not _____

Wouldn’t it eventually get to you

I try not to exaggerate what I hear, or to deliberately misquote people or paraphrase in order to confirm a bias I might have about my lack of worth. E.g. if someone never said I was worthless and should die, I wouldn't claim that they had. You are hearing things that aren't there, and not hearing things that are. I've told you you are a real man, for example, but it just goes in one ear and out the other, because you choose to only hear or believe (and exaggerate) the negatives.



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26 Feb 2018, 10:36 pm

yellowtamarin wrote:
sly279 wrote:
yellowtamarin wrote:
sly279 wrote:
... I already know what a horrible worthless loser I am ...

... a woman who is in the same situation as me or worse who believes she’s better then me is superficial ...

So, she should think she's a worthless loser? Almost every person in the same situation as you would believe they are better than what you believe you are. You have about the lowest opinion of yourself that is possible, and it's an inaccurate opinion, and I don't think you should expect others in your situation to share in your trait of warped self-perception.

And yes, I know that's not what you were trying to say. But your arguments fall apart when you contradict yourself due to your false core beliefs.


It’s womens opinion not mine I just stopped resisting it.
No I wouldn’t want them to think they worthless it’d just be nice if they didn’t think they better then men in the same situation just cause they were born female.

I’d like to ask what would you do if everywhere you went online and in person to an extent men were just like you’re not a real woman cause you’re not _____

Wouldn’t it eventually get to you

I try not to exaggerate what I hear, or to deliberately misquote people or paraphrase in order to confirm a bias I might have about my lack of worth. E.g. if someone never said I was worthless and should die, I wouldn't claim that they had. You are hearing things that aren't there, and not hearing things that are. I've told you you are a real man, for example, but it just goes in one ear and out the other, because you choose to only hear or believe (and exaggerate) the negatives.


I don’t exaggerate or misquote
Can you just not accept the truth?

You don’t have say someone’s worthless to mean it. If you describe what worthless is and someone meets thst then it’s as good as saying they worthless or a loser. If you describe what it is to not be a loser and someone doesn’t meet thst then it’s as good as saying they a loser. Is you say if you don’t meet these your not a real man, how do you take that?

But you wouldn’t date me and you live thousands of miles a way even if you would. So how does women from Australia and Europe saying I’m a real man help me when most the women where I live say I’m not?

Just like some company in Japan saying they’d hire me too bad I’m in america wouldn’t help either.

The guy who responded to me here was like no duh and hen went on to belittle me about how I’m a loser and women don’t date losers. How I don’t have my life together how I’m not working to get a degrees etc. that’s how women see me too. But some of those women are working. Dead eng jobs and not seeking degrees either