Morally much worse men than you.

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If he’s well off enough , has his life together and looks attractive they most definitely will. He’s a real man, he’s a good man.

Only if they’re young and stupid....

I have seen examples of what you are describing, but i know of no one wish such traits, i do not hang around morally bankrupt people.

Nope women from 20-80 care about having life together ie money, it’s not a age thing
I see loads of 40,50,60,70,80 old women say the same thing as 20/30 olds
There no future for me.

A man without morals is not a good man or a “real “ man. He’s the kind of person to steer clear of.

You can have morals and still treat someone like garbage, or like game to be hunted, or livestock to be exploited and then ditched. It all depends on what those morals are. In fact, the morals most people have held throughout history are mostly about the survival of your tribe. This usually involves staying on good terms with other male members, who have already earned the respect of the rest of the tribe. Keeping female members alive is important in that situation because they’re needed for reproducing, but experience shows respecting them in other ways isn’t much of a priority. And, of course, killing, raping, robbing, torturing or enslaving outsiders is perfectly fine, if not actively encouraged.

I'm not talking about men who hide their jerkdom from their wives. I'm talking about men who are jerks to everyone except their wives and the wives are aware of this and even stand behind their husband's behavior.

Women in mya read define good men as being a man who has a good job, car, and own place. Nothing to do about kindness or if he’s mean. Society has redefined good man. It no long means a kind man who is morally good.

You're keeping yourself out of the ballgame with how you think. That's the way I see it.

Most women like decent guys with decent morals. The decent women tend not to like a**hole types. They really don't. If you try to be an a**hole type, you'll be laughed it---just like I'd be laughed at.

Yes, many would prefer it if you had a full-time job, too. And perhaps (in areas which lack public transportation) a car. But there are definitely women who wouldn't mind being your "chauffeur," provided you pay for the gas. Maybe, they would like it if YOU drove THEIR car. My wife usually likes me to drive HER car, as well as MY car.

I really feel like you've put yourself in a bind. Honest I do. It's not all "black and white."

I'm pretty sure enough men have cars and jobs that most women also have moral character standards.

I think what you have a tendency to do is illustrated below...

When ask if the cup is half full or half empty, most people will choose one of the two options.


But I think you have a tendency to see a third option...



Completely empty.

If you keep taking the world to extremes, with a bias towards the negative ones, then of course you will be unhappy because the world will seem more difficult than it actually is.

I think if the women here were to start taking men to negative extremes like you do women, the men here would be thoroughly insulted, as they should be, so how about you stop thinking that way, or at least stop attacking women because that is what you are actually doing whether you intend to do so or not.

Sly doesn’t mean to attack women. He’s just frustrated.

I don’t know how he can get out of his bind. He’s a bright guy. He can probably work full-time at a library. Much less stress than at a retail store.

Then he get save up for a decent car with about 75,000 to 100,000 miles on it. He can maintain it himself to some extent.

I had a car with over 100,000 miles to start. A Mercury Tracer. It lasted five years. I paid $1400 for it. I don’t know how to fix most car things. Sly knows more than I do.

Not intentionally, but there's no shortage of dirtbags who can con women into dating them. I have no idea how they do it, but they manage. It goes the other way too; plenty of women with atrociously nasty personalities have zero difficulties getting dates.

Because romantic attraction is (usually) not rational. Also sometimes jerky men are good protectors. Or at least they are good candidates for protectors. I guess the logic is that if he stands up for himself then he will stand up for his SO too.

First why is it me talking about women in mya area is attacking women? That ide seems to assume thst I’m just lying about everything which is insulting but not unexpected from chronos

How am I taking myself out of the ball game if the coach won’t even let me into the stadium?

I can’t be as****e and it would t help. I’d have to be a well off a**hole.
They don’t even know it’s part time, it’s the pay they dislike. Though I’m sure they’d be upset if I got paid good and worked part time too. Seems most want to live middle class status. Again i dont know even women here on wp have complained about having to drive their bf around at all and how it makes them feel like a taxi driver, so they want a man who has a car and drives. So since then I decided I won’t ever accept rides from women.

But I didn’t I have no control over women rejecting me cause o my income. I won’t ever make good money.

i'd like my partner to have her own vehicle.

driving people around gets tiring, (and with a big v8 sedan, expensive) especially if they don't "pay", she's no exception.

You said before you are a poor student, how did you manage to get a v8 sedan? Is it old and used? Just asking.