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26 Mar 2018, 8:22 pm

At a guess you seem to be at odds with aspie optimism. It's kind of insufferable, sure, but it gets many of us through the day more easily than social guesswork.

I can't really say if you were lied to. We really aren't all the same.


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26 Mar 2018, 8:26 pm

cberg wrote:
At a guess you seem to be at odds with aspie optimism. It's kind of insufferable, sure, but it gets many of us through the day more easily than social guesswork.

I can't really say if you were lied to. We really aren't all the same.


I don't understand what you just said. If by optimism you mean cut off all emotion, then yes, that's him.



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26 Mar 2018, 8:40 pm

Well one has to be somewhat optimistic to be as accomplished as you say. I mean exactly what I said. Just because someone else seems cold doesn't mean the rest of us won't notice it being thrown back in our faces, or feel generalized. The way I see it, anyone can break a negative cycle. Not saying that's at all easy on the person who ultimately does so but it's worthwhile.


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26 Mar 2018, 8:50 pm

I really appreciate your comments cberg. But call me silly, I have no idea what optimism has to do with anything. Optimism about what?



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26 Mar 2018, 9:12 pm

Well a lot of us have to be at least optimistic enough to believe we can get by without anyone else, and it's definitely possible to get stranded in that headspace. I've had to take responsibility for communication breakdowns in the past but it's well worth the effort. I don't see any reason NTs couldn't do the same.


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26 Mar 2018, 9:24 pm

Looks like you edited your post cberg. I'm not generalizing anyone. Just hurting. You can't communicate with someone who won't communicate back. Nothing can be done. The more we try, the more they retreat. And I had no communication with him for 7 months..... If that's not enough time to get some space, no amount of time will ever be enough, it's absurd actually.



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26 Mar 2018, 9:30 pm

IMO all this comes down to self-actualization, on whomevers' part, in the form of a thought-out olive branch as opposed to inviting fear, uncertainty & doubt digitally.

Difficult =/= impossible.


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26 Mar 2018, 10:19 pm

Already tried, after many many months had gone by, to hand him that olive branch. So has Anngables to her friend. A simple birthday wish. Saying hello at a chance encounter. A heartfelt letter asking for communication. Nothing. Nada. Totally ignored all contact, including right in front of my face--he just walked away when I approached him, but not before I saw him getting very uneasy talking to someone else he was with after seeing me across the room. I have a strong suspicion the other person was telling him he should speak to me but he would not. But I have no idea what the reason or feelings behind that are. Some people turn their back because they don't care at all, some turn their back because they care too much. This is nothing like ordinary communication difficulties. Entirely out of my hands. And he won't do anything. That's why I previously said I have to stop waiting for something that is never going to happen. But I can't let go. Something in me is holding on. Like I feel something more is there on his side but he won't let it out, and it's like I can't walk out on that, even though he is the one turning his back. It's like every fiber of my being believes there is something between us that is out of sync with his behavior. But it's maddening in his chosen absence. I can't explain it better than that.



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26 Mar 2018, 10:25 pm

As much as I doubt my own at times I still say it's better to rely on intuition than to reject yourself at anyone else's suggestion.


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27 Mar 2018, 6:15 am

In my situation . . .. . . The split is still very fresh . . .. .. . I think we both need time and space. . . .. maybe in the future we can reconcile , but first it’s needed to have this space to see if we actually do want to be friends. There have been so many misunderstandings and hurt feelings. . . . .. . I find it difficult because I am incredibly loyal and most of my best friends have been so for 20plus years. To lose someone I care about is a big deal . . .. . . .. . I accept 50% of the blame. . . .. . My friend needs to accept the other half and then maybe there would be a way forward. . . .. ..

However for now I accept it is over . . . .i just was interested from an Aspie point of view whether you think he would ever initiate contact . . . .. . I imagine it’s highly unlikely .



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27 Mar 2018, 6:22 am

Or I'm just a stupid girl who only sees what she wants to be there rather than what is actually there.



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27 Mar 2018, 7:05 am

That's how I feel too.... Like it's highly unlikely they will ever do anything at all to initiate contact. I'll never understand how that's OK to them or why they'd rather run.



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27 Mar 2018, 7:31 am

I think I saw things that weren’t there . . .. . . . But I also think he did care in his own way . . . .. .but for now I am happy to walk away. . . .. . For whatever reason the friendship is no more, and it doesn’t matter how sad I am so I am just moving on . . .. .. .



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27 Mar 2018, 7:47 am

It does matter how sad you are, that is not invalid just because they don't understand it. And it SHOULD matter to him.... It SHOULD matter to my friend too. But it doesn't. And I probably am seeing what I wanted to see, but honestly, it's pretty hard to get told "I feel closer to you than any other person" and interpret that in some way other than close friendship. How he can turn around and just ignore that is beyond me.



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27 Mar 2018, 8:45 am

Pessimism is contagious. :|


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27 Mar 2018, 9:14 am

Yes but the fact remains that people split up, or friendships end with or without Aspergers . . . .. if I keep trying to look at it any other way it just prolongs the sadness . . .. . I suspect my friend would care that I am sad, but if he doesn’t want the friendship to continue that is his prerogative. Remember only you are responsible for your own feelings . . .. ..