The kind of women I am deemed compatible to be with

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30 Apr 2018, 12:42 pm

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The message I get is that I am deemed only compatible with women men in the culture I live in usually don't want to date and I am not "good enough" for what society deems attractive so I have to lower my standards.

Like I've said, if you're being shown that you are considered the 'bottom of the barrel' as it relates to dating via never being offered opportunities or reciprocated interest from people you want to date, the three options you have are lowering your standards, heightening your appeal or changing nothing and holding out hope that you'll find something spontaneously somehow. Having the 'undesirable' stamp placed upon you is a difficult pill to swallow, but there's nothing fruitful to come out of ignoring the evidence you have in front of you that that's the case, and it is within your control to change it. Furthermore, the longer you put change off, the longer it's likely to take before you achieve the relationship you want.

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The thing is that I am not wishing for a hot supermodel or cheerleader looking girl as a partner. I would be happy with someone who is simply attractive enough for me but I can't even get that. :(

To put it bluntly, a girl doesn't have to be a hot supermodel or cheerleader type to be above you in attractiveness to the extent that she has 'better' options. I've seen your picture, and the impression I get is that there are improvements to be made before even many lower-average women would consider you equal in physical attractiveness to them. If you're not equal or better in physical attractiveness to the people you're chasing, you'd sure as hell want to have other material things to offer. Personality is all well and good, but if people dated only for personality, they'd marry their best friends.

Physically, what is the kind of girl you're hoping to be with like? What physical traits do you perhaps find off-putting? On a mainstream beauty standard scale of 1 to 10, what number would be the lowest you'd want to go in terms of a partner? And what number would you consider yourself?


I would be fine with someone who is of average build or even chubby but not morbidly obese. Same goes for anorexic because both that and morbidly obese are extremes. I don't care about breast sizes like some guys do. I am short on time at the moment so I'll have to get back to this later.



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30 Apr 2018, 2:11 pm

At least people tried to set you up. No one has ever tried to set me up with anyone:(
Coworkers set other coworkers up all the time, but everyone thinks I’m not good enough for any women.



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30 Apr 2018, 4:53 pm

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If you continue to improve yourself and make yourself attractive to women, you can find yourself deemed to be compatible with any woman that you desire.


Wrong, especially the last bit is too far fetched.



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30 Apr 2018, 4:58 pm

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At least people tried to set you up. No one has ever tried to set me up with anyone:(
Coworkers set other coworkers up all the time, but everyone thinks I’m not good enough for any women.


Have you ever asked them to set you up?



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30 Apr 2018, 5:05 pm

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If you continue to improve yourself and make yourself attractive to women, you can find yourself deemed to be compatible with any woman that you desire.


Wrong, especially the last bit is too far fetched.

Agreed. No matter how much work I do with diet, exercise, plastic surgery, voodoo, animal sacrifice, and the work of an evil genie...I'm never going to get a date with David Tennant.

Got to have some reality checks!


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30 Apr 2018, 7:55 pm

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At least people tried to set you up. No one has ever tried to set me up with anyone:(
Coworkers set other coworkers up all the time, but everyone thinks I’m not good enough for any women.


Have you ever asked them to set you up?

Yes but they won’t. They either say they don’t onow any single females(they do) or be honest and say I not good enough for any of their female friends or family.

But the people who’ve been set up never asked. Their family and friends set them up without being asked. Same with the people at work.
They can tell from where I work I’m not good enough. Perhaps if I was 20 and going to college(supposedly this leads to well paid job , that’s a lie) they’d set me up like they do other guys with the new women who get hired.

I don’t make enough and never will



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30 Apr 2018, 7:58 pm

MissChess wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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If you continue to improve yourself and make yourself attractive to women, you can find yourself deemed to be compatible with any woman that you desire.


Wrong, especially the last bit is too far fetched.

Agreed. No matter how much work I do with diet, exercise, plastic surgery, voodoo, animal sacrifice, and the work of an evil genie...I'm never going to get a date with David Tennant.

Got to have some reality checks!

Nothing I can do will ever help me get a date with any women. I use to get dates whe I was younger but now I’m older. And older you get the more you’re expected to make more money as a man.

So while yiu reality check is ow I can’t get a celebrity for many men here it’s we can’t get anyone. That ugly obese unemployed woman who smokes and drinks all the time won’t even date us.



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30 Apr 2018, 8:04 pm

Chronos wrote:
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At least people tried to set you up. No one has ever tried to set me up with anyone:(
Coworkers set other coworkers up all the time, but everyone thinks I’m not good enough for any women.


Have you ever asked them to set you up?

I keep trying to get a Kickstarter campaign to make this happen, but I keep getting shot down.

Say, Chronos...why don’t you go out with sly? Once we figure out distance, we can put together a budget and crowdfund it so neither of you are out anything. I need someone else from WP to design the t-shirts and coffee mugs, and I’m up for ideas for other freebies to give out based on giving level.



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30 Apr 2018, 8:27 pm

sly279 wrote:
MissChess wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
If you continue to improve yourself and make yourself attractive to women, you can find yourself deemed to be compatible with any woman that you desire.


Wrong, especially the last bit is too far fetched.

Agreed. No matter how much work I do with diet, exercise, plastic surgery, voodoo, animal sacrifice, and the work of an evil genie...I'm never going to get a date with David Tennant.

Got to have some reality checks!

Nothing I can do will ever help me get a date with any women. I use to get dates whe I was younger but now I’m older. And older you get the more you’re expected to make more money as a man.

So while yiu reality check is ow I can’t get a celebrity for many men here it’s we can’t get anyone. That ugly obese unemployed woman who smokes and drinks all the time won’t even date us.

First - the bit about David Tennant was meant as a humorous illustration of the idea that we can't, in reality, have anyone we want just by working harder on ourselves.

Second, no woman you describe as "ugly obese unemployed woman" is ever going to want to speak with you, let alone date you, because you're projecting bitterness and resentment toward her. Why on earth would any woman want a man who talks about women the way you do?

I know you're going to reiterate that your anger and hostility toward women comes from their rejection of you, but you're angry and hostile about all women - you seem to have long since lost the ability to see a woman as an individual creature with her own thoughts and preferences. Human beings are, for the most part, social animals. Bitterness and hostility will isolate you. If you want to change that, you have to find a way to let go of the bitterness and hostility - because it doesn't matter who you blame for it, you're the one who's suffering for it.


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30 Apr 2018, 10:38 pm

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sly279 wrote:
MissChess wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
If you continue to improve yourself and make yourself attractive to women, you can find yourself deemed to be compatible with any woman that you desire.


Wrong, especially the last bit is too far fetched.

Agreed. No matter how much work I do with diet, exercise, plastic surgery, voodoo, animal sacrifice, and the work of an evil genie...I'm never going to get a date with David Tennant.

Got to have some reality checks!

Nothing I can do will ever help me get a date with any women. I use to get dates whe I was younger but now I’m older. And older you get the more you’re expected to make more money as a man.

So while yiu reality check is ow I can’t get a celebrity for many men here it’s we can’t get anyone. That ugly obese unemployed woman who smokes and drinks all the time won’t even date us.

First - the bit about David Tennant was meant as a humorous illustration of the idea that we can't, in reality, have anyone we want just by working harder on ourselves.

Second, no woman you describe as "ugly obese unemployed woman" is ever going to want to speak with you, let alone date you, because you're projecting bitterness and resentment toward her. Why on earth would any woman want a man who talks about women the way you do?

I know you're going to reiterate that your anger and hostility toward women comes from their rejection of you, but you're angry and hostile about all women - you seem to have long since lost the ability to see a woman as an individual creature with her own thoughts and preferences. Human beings are, for the most part, social animals. Bitterness and hostility will isolate you. If you want to change that, you have to find a way to let go of the bitterness and hostility - because it doesn't matter who you blame for it, you're the one who's suffering for it.


Do you not think ugly obese women exist? Is it just men who can be ugly or obese?
I’m ugly man, ugly women exist. Obese women and men exist.

Anyways all said woman sees is my picture and profile. That’s all she has to go off. No one could sense bitterness or anger through a computer screen even if I had any. Bitter maybe angry no. Again why is it horrible to point out obese ugly women exist?
2/3 of americans are obese it’s not all men. So lots of American women are obese.

I find bigger women attractive. Like curvy and such not 400 pound women. I’m not blind that most men and society don’t find such women attractive though. Thin is attractive for both men and women. What good is ignoring reality? Now bigger women are more attractive in society due to the female fat shame movement. Still most men would tell you thin women are more sexy or attractive. My point is women that society deems undateable won’t date me. Where’s that leave me? Where do you go when the unwanted won’t even date you, that makes you super unwanted.

I’m not hostile to women. I dislike they base a lot of their dating decisions on a mans income status. I imagine women dislike how most men base their worth on how thin and attractive they are. Women don’t like being judged like items and men don’t like being judged like wallets.

Yes social animals ie we follow social trends, ie there’s a majority that thinks similar, does similar things, wears similar things, follows society. Society says a man is only worthy of love if he makes good money, that poor men aren’t worth dating.most women follow that and thus don’t date or talk to poor men.

Women’s individualness has no effect. Fashion is ra thing. There’s a reason celebrities are seen as attractive by most people.

So yeah we are individual but there’s millions others just like us. There is no true individual. We are not 100% different from other humans like yiu think women are.
It is t just random millions of women all wear the same dress. Or thousands and millions of women all want a well off man or how most women would prefer a doctor.

So yiu think me letting go of my bitter ness will just magically make women say I don’t care that he makes $900 a month what was I thinking wanting a middl classmate income guy? Cause that’s crazy. I’m bitter cause they don’t want poor men and somehow not being bitter won’t chanhe that. World doesn’t work that way, I either get lucky and find a girl who doesn’t care and hasn’t already found a guy or I stay single as women keep rejecting me over and over for my income status.

I’ll be suffering any ways, atleast venting keeps me from killing myself. I’m 30 I’ve been trying to date for 12+ years. I’ve been rejected by thousands and thousands of women usually for the same reason my income. I use to be more hopand onow whwre it got me? Here. Rejected by thousands and thousands of women. Now they won’t even allow me to message them. So how is positive thinking going to make up for my lack of income to women who won’t even talk to poor men?



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30 Apr 2018, 10:41 pm

Porn or prostitutes not enough ?


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30 Apr 2018, 11:12 pm

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I’ll be suffering any ways, atleast venting keeps me from killing myself. I’m 30 I’ve been trying to date for 12+ years. I’ve been rejected by thousands and thousands of women usually for the same reason my income.

How do you know it's not your looks that are the problem in some cases?



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01 May 2018, 12:53 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
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I’ll be suffering any ways, atleast venting keeps me from killing myself. I’m 30 I’ve been trying to date for 12+ years. I’ve been rejected by thousands and thousands of women usually for the same reason my income.

How do you know it's not your looks that are the problem in some cases?


Looks do have stuff to do with it I’m ugly but say I was handsome and fit they might have on night stands with me but they would t date me. Most people and therefore most women believe middle class is the only way to be happy.
If I had a gf I’d be perfectly happy in life with what I have. Billions of poor people in the 3rd world are perfectly happy and have a family. No reason poor people in America can’t be. Poor not poverty.

What’s wrong with a small one bedroom apartment and just enjoying life together without all the expensive trips and things?



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01 May 2018, 1:14 am

Sly, you may or may not be hard of hearing, but you're awfully hard of listening.

Conversation with you damages my calm, and I've fought too hard for that to let it go now.

I wish you well, and hope you choose a better path.


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01 May 2018, 1:22 am

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Looks do have stuff to do with it I’m ugly but say I was handsome and fit they might have on night stands with me but they would t date me. Most people and therefore most women believe middle class is the only way to be happy.
If I had a gf I’d be perfectly happy in life with what I have. Billions of poor people in the 3rd world are perfectly happy and have a family. No reason poor people in America can’t be. Poor not poverty.

What’s wrong with a small one bedroom apartment and just enjoying life together without all the expensive trips and things?

If you were handsome and fit you'd have more success with dating and romance across the board, though yes, job status would probably hold you back some too.

Just because you're content living a minimalist lifestyle doesn't mean most people are. Most people want to strive to get as much as they can out of life, and not be confined by financial barriers where possible. It's not about necessity, but rather desire. Just because they COULD live in a cheap one-bedroom apartment doesn't mean that's what they want to do. The same way you COULD go on living life without a girlfriend but that's not what you want to do either.

There's nothing inherently wrong with living in a one bedroom apartment and enjoying life without expensive trips or what have you, but people who have better options, or options more preferable to them are going to pursue those options. Just as, if you had the option between a thin and pretty girl and an obese and ugly girl with identical personalities, you'd pick the former.

Dating is more competitive in nature than some are willing to recognise. You are competing against other males for the females you desire, and if those other males can satisfy the desires of the females better than you can then unfortunately you're going to be overlooked. This is why I advocate for self-improvement and becoming the best version of yourself when you aren't having luck in dating or getting replies or dates. At very least maximise what you can. If the universe is showing you that what you have going for you is not attracting women to you then you've got to improve in some areas. If not getting a higher-paying job, at least boosting your attractiveness.

To do nothing to improve your odds of attracting a woman when your odds seem low is not likely to yield you the results you want. Change nothing and expect the same results from before.



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01 May 2018, 2:32 am

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Sly, you may or may not be hard of hearing, but you're awfully hard of listening.

Conversation with you damages my calm, and I've fought too hard for that to let it go now.

I wish you well, and hope you choose a better path.


I heard you fine I just don’t agree with you.

Sadly There’s only one path for poor men who can’t work full time.