How do I STAY happy in a relationship?

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18 Sep 2019, 8:21 pm

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Don't strive to be happy in a relationship yet.
Don't strive to be happy at all. Those who forego strife are happiest.
Those that have strived for strife, Looked the beast between the eye and triumphed. But with only one leg. Those are the happiest my friend.
I have survived many hardships by NOT striving against them, but by seeking the easier path to peace.


As Bruce Lee said, 'be like that liquid water stuff and take the easy path you white devil'.



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18 Sep 2019, 8:23 pm

BDavro wrote:
Fnord wrote:
BDavro wrote:
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Don't strive to be happy in a relationship yet.
Don't strive to be happy at all. Those who forego strife are happiest.
Those that have strived for strife, Looked the beast between the eye and triumphed. But with only one leg. Those are the happiest my friend.
I have survived many hardships by NOT striving against them, but by seeking the easier path to peace.
As Bruce Lee said, 'be like that liquid water stuff and take the easy path you white devil'.
"I am a leaf on the wind; watch how I soar" -- Hoban Washburn


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18 Sep 2019, 8:26 pm

Fnord wrote:
BDavro wrote:
Fnord wrote:
BDavro wrote:
Fnord wrote:
BDavro wrote:
Don't strive to be happy in a relationship yet.
Don't strive to be happy at all. Those who forego strife are happiest.
Those that have strived for strife, Looked the beast between the eye and triumphed. But with only one leg. Those are the happiest my friend.
I have survived many hardships by NOT striving against them, but by seeking the easier path to peace.
As Bruce Lee said, 'be like that liquid water stuff and take the easy path you white devil'.
"I am a leaf on the wind; watch how I soar" -- Hoban Washburn

I am not as educated as you so I shall reply with this:



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18 Sep 2019, 8:29 pm

"As sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives." -- Socrates

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18 Sep 2019, 8:32 pm

And time does flow and it does squeeze like when I pass a gall stone.

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18 Sep 2019, 11:34 pm

I have a NT boyfriend, we been together for 8 months. If I’m in a bad mood, he can give me space.



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26 Sep 2019, 4:59 am

Sincerely, I cannot believe that most people are really happy when they are with someone for many years. Maybe they feel comfort or dependency, tolerating the lesser evil. I am an independent person and loner by nature, and the thought of having to be with someone for many years and be around them every day fills me with horror.

The fact that being in a long term relationship (of which the extreme case is marriage) is the socially approved, normal lifestyle, feels like an accomplishment to most people and contributes to the happy feeling until almost inevitably frustration and boredom set in. When I hear the words husband or wife I hear the word miserable.

What are the reasons you want to be with someone many years? You must see some benefits that could contribute to your happiness, otherwise you wouldn't wish for it.

You are only 19 and don't have to force yourself to like anything just because it's normal or because one day in the future you might find happiness in it.



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26 Sep 2019, 5:33 am

Lely wrote:
Sincerely, I cannot believe that most people are really happy when they are with someone for many years. Maybe they feel comfort or dependency, tolerating the lesser evil. I am an independent person and loner by nature, and the thought of having to be with someone for many years and be around them every day fills me with horror.

The fact that being in a long term relationship (of which the extreme case is marriage) is the socially approved, normal lifestyle, feels like an accomplishment to most people and contributes to the happy feeling until almost inevitably frustration and boredom set in. When I hear the words husband or wife I hear the word miserable.

What are the reasons you want to be with someone many years? You must see some benefits that could contribute to your happiness, otherwise you wouldn't wish for it.

You are only 19 and don't have to force yourself to like anything just because it's normal or because one day in the future you might find happiness in it.



I have as much problem living with my own self as I do living with other people. :)
People should not be alone, and learning to compromise, and provide mutual emotional and physical support to each other is much more uplifting than scowling in the mirror and declaring yourself an island.


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26 Sep 2019, 7:08 am

Teach51 wrote:
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Sincerely, I cannot believe that most people are really happy when they are with someone for many years. Maybe they feel comfort or dependency, tolerating the lesser evil. I am an independent person and loner by nature, and the thought of having to be with someone for many years and be around them every day fills me with horror.

The fact that being in a long term relationship (of which the extreme case is marriage) is the socially approved, normal lifestyle, feels like an accomplishment to most people and contributes to the happy feeling until almost inevitably frustration and boredom set in. When I hear the words husband or wife I hear the word miserable.

What are the reasons you want to be with someone many years? You must see some benefits that could contribute to your happiness, otherwise you wouldn't wish for it.

You are only 19 and don't have to force yourself to like anything just because it's normal or because one day in the future you might find happiness in it.



I have as much problem living with my own self as I do living with other people. :)
People should not be alone, and learning to compromise, and provide mutual emotional and physical support to each other is much more uplifting than scowling in the mirror and declaring yourself an island.

But this doesn't have to be in a for society typical long term exclusive, monogmaous, mono'romantic' partnership, with perhaps a little nuclear family. There are other forms of social relationships. I don't get the need for long term partnership. Even the word partner is funny sounding to me, but much worse is 'life partner' :D



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26 Sep 2019, 8:09 am

Until, of course, you find your “life partner.”



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26 Sep 2019, 8:55 am

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Until, of course, you find your “life partner.”


It is a faulty way of thinking that humans generally find a 'life partner'. I'm not a bird so my brain isn't even biologically wired to form a life partnership.

I also think the view that one finds the right person is harmful. When society holds such a belief that man and woman naturally ought to pair up long term (which is not natural but a social construct) it makes the people who don't find a 'partner' feel inadequate and augments their pain. Moreover, even if you have a life partner for several decades you shouldn't believe they will want to be with you for the rest of your/their life, because statistically speaking, if you don't leave them, they'll leave you sooner or later. If you count on them and imagine them to be with you until death, you will find yourself painfully disillusioned when you wake up to reality.



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26 Sep 2019, 9:09 am

I don't believe that one necessarily finds "the right person"---but I believe it does happen. It sort of happened to me back when I was about 18-19---but that turned out for nought.

No, we are not birds----and "life partnership" is not imprinted into us.

But, for many reasons, the "life partner/marriage" concept has come about. Both the good and the bad aspects. And we're not going to get rid of it any time soon.



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26 Sep 2019, 10:56 am

Lely wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Until, of course, you find your “life partner.”


It is a faulty way of thinking that humans generally find a 'life partner'. I'm not a bird so my brain isn't even biologically wired to form a life partnership.

I also think the view that one finds the right person is harmful. When society holds such a belief that man and woman naturally ought to pair up long term (which is not natural but a social construct) it makes the people who don't find a 'partner' feel inadequate and augments their pain. Moreover, even if you have a life partner for several decades you shouldn't believe they will want to be with you for the rest of your/their life, because statistically speaking, if you don't leave them, they'll leave you sooner or later. If you count on them and imagine them to be with you until death, you will find yourself painfully disillusioned when you wake up to reality.


Pure Gold. ^

"You both look so happy but it's an act. Just enjoy it while it lasts, which isn't very long. You think you have forever, but you don't. Soon you start to get on each other's nerves, then you don't tell the other person as much as you used to, because, really, what's the point? You thought they understood you, but they never did, not really. Finally, not only do you not tell the other person anything real, but you actively start lying to them. Then when you think it can't get any worse, they up and die.

No matter what you do, you end up alone, not knowing who you are, or what you really want".



Ruth Fisher, Six Feet Under (2001)


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26 Sep 2019, 11:04 am

Even better...

"Most people think life sucks, and then you die. Not me. I beg to differ. I think life sucks, then you get cancer, then your dog dies, your wife leaves you, the cancer goes into remission, you get a new dog, you get remarried, you owe ten million dollars in medical bills but you work hard for thirty-five years and you pay it back and then -- one day -- you have a massive stroke, your whole right side is paralyzed, you have to limp along the streets and speak out of the left side of your mouth and drool but you go into rehabilitation and regain the power to walk and the power to talk and then -- one day -- you step off a curb at Sixty-seventh Street, and BANG you get hit by a city bus and THEN you die. Maybe..." -- Denis Leary (American Actor)

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