Is it a myth or not that women dislike us?

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08 Oct 2019, 5:07 pm

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I actually think some women with savior complexes can be more liable to be attracted to aspie men. They want to nurture and sort of bring them out of their shell. (my experience as the daughter of a nt mom and aspie dad)
Then there is the type who just wants a man in her life who will to do whatever she tells him.



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08 Oct 2019, 7:27 pm

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If a woman has never said to you, "I dislike you because you have Asperger's Syndrome", then you have no proof that she dislikes you because you have Asperger's Syndrome!!  If you think otherwise, then it's just an assumption on your part, and this is just another misogynistic "I can't get a date" thread.

:roll: Sheesh!


I said my piece & I don't really have anything negative to say about any women at all, nothing related to gender anyway.

I'm bummed that you have zero respect for my perspective. Same goes for everyone usually.


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08 Oct 2019, 7:58 pm

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If a woman has never said to you, "I dislike you because you have Asperger's Syndrome", then you have no proof that she dislikes you because you have Asperger's Syndrome!!  If you think otherwise, then it's just an assumption on your part, and this is just another misogynistic "I can't get a date" thread.

:roll: Sheesh!


There is a fallacy here, I think. For this to be true, you would have to assume that the woman was always telling the truth, and even if she is telling the truth, that she is self-aware enough to know how she really feels. (This goes for men too, but the subject here was women.)

In my experience people rarely tell the truth and actually make up white lies to cushion the blow, or just wander away with or without the drama.

My guess would be that a woman who doesn't like someone because they have autism would never say that aloud.


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08 Oct 2019, 8:09 pm

There are plenty of women who would go for a guy like Cberg.

All many women want to do is have fun....do sports....drive around....stuff like that.

They don't want to debate fine points of philosophy all the time----only once in a while.

The emphasis should be on harmonious hanging out and having fun.



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08 Oct 2019, 8:26 pm

I don't have much of anything negative to say about any women, I've simply observed a nearly unilateral trend of discrimination. I'm not a mysogynist, nor have I any such intentions. I don't like being tar & feathered but almost everyone always does that with me, including aspies. My complaints are strictly a matter of how I've been treated individually.

I'll repeat: I'm not a mysogynist & being called that is deeply insulting. I haven't really ever felt compatible with anybody, by their standards anyway, so I'll abstain from a culture that isn't healthy for me. If I see substantial indications that I should end my social hiatus, I can do that instantaneously but today I trust nobody.


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08 Oct 2019, 8:45 pm

Here's a myth that I think many men believe and which is self-defeating:

Men often believe that there is a good percentage of men out there that have a magnetism, charisma, charm, sex appeal, etc that when they walk in a room most women are attracted to them automatically. Men who fall prey to such a myth believe they're at a disadvantage before even trying to communicate with women. "I'm not charismatic, charming or sexy, so I'm already at a disadvantage with 'most guys. Think about that: that myth also presumes that "most women" are alike. Thankfully, that's not true! Thankfully, women's tastes in men are as varied as men's taste in women are.

The point? The point is that men shouldn't care about or worry about being attractive to "most women". Men who have a desire to meet a woman should care about meeting the right woman. When I was dating, I was not hoping that I would be attractive to all women in a room. I was interested in connecting with one woman, period. If I was out somewhere and engaged in chit chat with a woman on a topic that both of us seemed to find interesting (ie a connection) and I found her attractive, I cared nothing about any of the other women in the room. I was focused on enjoying the conversation I was having with the woman I was talking with.



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08 Oct 2019, 8:57 pm

I'm sure it's a myth. Whether boy or girl I don't believe they don't like us. Autistic people in general miss social cues so even if someone did like us, how are we suppose to know anyway? I think many of us on the spectrum just miss the people that actually like us, it's not like anyone just openly say that they do(pretty hard to do even if it's the same gender.)

I use to feel that people didn't like me, I stopped assuming it and I now get better responses(some positive, mostly neutral, occasionally negative.) I think if you believe people don't like you then the way you present yourself will automatically reflect that.


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08 Oct 2019, 9:05 pm

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I think if you believe people don't like you then the way you present yourself will automatically reflect that.


Good point. Self-fulfilling prophesy.



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08 Oct 2019, 9:59 pm

I'm simply saying my experience tells me most people don't really accept me. I'm thankful WP is an exception to that rule but my daily life is another matter. The more I retrospectively think about my interactions, the less I'm inclined to seek out any more.

Stereotypes about me are quite clear; having spent the majority of my life as a serious geek, I generally lack most of the social senses I would need if I bothered anymore with the relentless challenge of meeting people's expectations. My job alone is plenty demanding & other people's apathy has isolated me to the point where I'm not sure if I want anyone around me at all. There are limited exceptions to that rule & many caveats still.


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08 Oct 2019, 10:03 pm

As an aspie WOMAN, I'm not liking you guys much right now, especially when you start these kinds of threads.



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08 Oct 2019, 10:06 pm

Case in point. I'm sorry my honesty has offended you, later.

I really must say I've never experienced anything positive because of stating my feelings before.


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08 Oct 2019, 10:08 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
As an aspie WOMAN, I'm not liking you guys much right now, especially when you start these kinds of threads.


You're obviously not a mythical being.


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08 Oct 2019, 10:33 pm

I think this is one of those "if you have to ask" questions.

Some of us aren't afforded the same social privileges as others & that's all there is to it, nothing more, nothing less.

Of course my feelings about this aren't appreciated, there's zero demonstrable reason I should feel positive about this topic.


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08 Oct 2019, 11:47 pm

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Screw society. I don't go by what society dictates.

If I did, I would have still been a virgin, and still been unable to drive a car.

Hah, you just described me



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08 Oct 2019, 11:51 pm

Fnord wrote:
If a woman has never said to you, "I dislike you because you have Asperger's Syndrome", then you have no proof that she dislikes you because you have Asperger's Syndrome!!  If you think otherwise, then it's just an assumption on your part, and this is just another misogynistic "I can't get a date" thread.

:roll: Sheesh!

Are you saying that "I can't get a date" threads are inherently misogynistic? If so, please do elaborate.

Or are you saying that the assertion that all women like or dislike a particular trait or attribute is misogynistic?



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09 Oct 2019, 12:18 am

Male emotions =/= misogyny.

I'm not detached from femininity, I'm detached from humanity. I get stereotyped enough to know when I personally don't want to be around people & I just wish it didn't reflect on my sexuality.


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