A lot of men need to learn what "no means no" means.

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29 Jun 2021, 12:41 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
I don't think asking one (or even two) more time(s) is a bad thing, because it is hard for anyone to be sure when a stated conflict is real or a push off. After all, women truly CAN be busy. I remember seeing a guy on some show responding to the woman with something like "can I suggest another time or will all my suggestions have a conflict?" I rather like that one. It's an indirect way of being sure and implies some self-awareness.
I like that response but I wouldn't have the guts to say that myself. Your level-headed about things DW but unfortunately not everyone else is. I've heard very different opinions on this between different men & different women. I heard some guys online including this forum say they've gotten in trouble by not realizing that Busy really meant No. Some guys got kicked out of clubs or got fired for harassment & things like that. Some of the unpopular guys say that an unpopular guy should never make a move on a woman offline because it may be used against him. Some women say they hate guys making a move on them in general & they just want guys to leave them alone. The thing is that lots of women do not make a direct move on guys they are interested in, at least direct enough for all guys to realize it. If a shy single guy makes a post on this forum about wanting a relationship, the number one thing he will be told is that he has to try & make a move. Women going up to a guy & asking him to do something with her seems like a rare thing. Lots of awkward guys want to be respectful but don't know how to be. What's OK & not OK can very quite a lot & depend on lots of things including the woman which can be extremely complicated & confusing for some of us Aspie guys. This is a major reason why I have problems with NTs. They seem to make the rules up as it suits them & then get upset when someone breaks their rules cuz they cant keep up.


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30 Jun 2021, 10:48 am

The other side of the coin is that women generally (at least in western culture) have convinced themselves (through serial maternal indoctrination, from generation to generation) that when they fancy a guy, they are entitled to an ego trip and play hard to get!

Since me “Dreams of Totty” post, I’ve realized that most of those girls who ignored me, or told me to bugger off and leave them alone, since I first took an interest in them, were doing this, but I hadn’t a clue at the time, so most of my sexual activity didn’t involve other life forms; I always took no for an answer, so they ended up disappointed, and no doubt considered me a failure.

It’s a stupid and unnatural practice (apart from some birds and frogs, I know of no other species which does this) wherein they risk all, for what amounts to a little emotional gratification, whilst claiming it builds stronger bonds (hogwash!).

Just to rub it in, I’ve also belatedly realized (by a process of elimination; after decades of eliminating the impossible, it’s all that’s left) that I was one of those boys autism researchers often describe as beautiful. Those girls probably expected I had loads of confidence when in fact I was clueless, and, having experienced only rejection I had none whatsoever.

I’ve met a few women who didn’t have this mercenary attitude, who had no fear of letting a man know they were interested and they all had wonderful love lives, and it’s no coincidence that most of those were raised by single fathers.

In brief, women do this to themselves, and if they became more reasonable, this would be a much less frequent problem. Until them, a man has a choice, to be pushy, or do without.



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01 Jul 2021, 7:10 pm

^ Sexist nonsense is sexist nonsense. Try harder.


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