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Zara
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14 Aug 2007, 5:05 pm

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I think a pure love is believing in someone, wanting the best for them regardless of whatever whatever happens to oneself. That kind of love doesn't happen right away but builds over time. Romantic, sexual, and platonic love can evolve into that over time and I assume that's the kind of love that keeps long relationships together.

Well that's my theory anyway. :wink:


Mind if I pick at it a bit?

Do you really think that the love itself "doesn't happen right away" and builds over time?

Or do you think that the demonstration/revelation of that love is what isn't immediate?


I wouldn't quite think so. Are you saying it's possible for someone to give their all to someone upon first meeting?(the Love at first at first sight idea?) I don't think that happens; if at all it's rare. It'd be kind of weird of someone you hardly knew came up to you and declared their true love to you without spending time getting to know you beforehand. Or am i just taking you too literally? :P
I think your second question makes more sense since sometimes it can take time for a person to really decide if they love another. I'm thinking about a love beyond just the immediate attraction. I think it builds from shared experiences and a shared life and that only comes with time.



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14 Aug 2007, 7:57 pm

Romantic love is made possible by an amphetamine-like neurotransmitter called phenylethylamine.

Another amphetamine neurotransmitter is noradrenaline, the "fight or flight" hormone, which facilitates the emotion of fear.

Love and fear are similar in that they are energetic states of heightened alertness; they differ in that while we seek and cherish those we love, we fight or avoid what we find threatening.

What do you think?


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14 Aug 2007, 8:22 pm

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"Love" is when you piss away your life savings on a 4 pound diamond.


No that's engagement.

Love is when you don't have to pay.



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14 Aug 2007, 9:26 pm

V3N0M wrote:
"Love" is when you piss away your life savings on a 4 pound diamond.


I love it!! ! :D



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14 Aug 2007, 9:31 pm

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Love demands the real willingness to work when the situation calls for it, though.



It's demands need not be listened to.
Sadly.


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Mainly the difference between love and hatred is in the ends, rather than the means. (I don't think I've said this correctly, because I've left it open to misinterpretation... but I can't think right now how to fix it.)

By that I mean that if you look my definition up there and substituted a hateful word for all instances of loving words (value, goodness, humility, etc.), you'd have pure hatred.

I think hatred might develop when the target becomes a threat (or more perfectly: the antithesis) to something you prize more highly. But it doesn't necessarily come about. It's still a choice.


We disagree so much on this. Indeed, I wonder
if love an hate can exist without being tied together.

I always thought hate was where love MIGHT go,
as no one you don't love could possibly hurt you
enough to end up hating. But, I'm beginning to
wonder if the two aren't always in a sort of balance,
once you care. I'm slipping into oddness now, and
things are changing - so some of these views may
shift a bit.



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14 Aug 2007, 9:35 pm

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:heart: :heart: :heart:

In terms of a romantic love relationship (husband/wife, BF/GF - as opposed to the generic 'fellow man') what is more important: Chemistry or Compatibility? (or something else??)


As Warren Buffet put it, low expectations.



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14 Aug 2007, 9:51 pm

calandale wrote:
gwenevyn wrote:

Love demands the real willingness to work when the situation calls for it, though.



It's demands need not be listened to.
Sadly.


Sadly? Aren't you all about freedom?

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We disagree so much on this. Indeed, I wonder
if love an hate can exist without being tied together.


Don't you ever wonder if you've been poisoned, in a way?

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I always thought hate was where love MIGHT go,
as no one you don't love could possibly hurt you
enough to end up hating. But, I'm beginning to
wonder if the two aren't always in a sort of balance,
once you care. I'm slipping into oddness now, and
things are changing - so some of these views may
shift a bit.


Yeah, I just don't identify with that. When I love, I just love. I don't hate. Not anymore.

In fact, the closest thing that I experience, to hate, is directed towards the person I least love.

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Just you wait.



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14 Aug 2007, 9:56 pm

Zara wrote:
I wouldn't quite think so. Are you saying it's possible for someone to give their all to someone upon first meeting?(the Love at first at first sight idea?) I don't think that happens; if at all it's rare. It'd be kind of weird of someone you hardly knew came up to you and declared their true love to you without spending time getting to know you beforehand. Or am i just taking you too literally? :P


Oh, I wasn't trying to insinuate that I think one way or the other. They were just honest questions to see what you thought. :)

But no, I don't think I believe in love at first sight, exactly. To feel a real affection for somebody, you need to know something about that person. But at the same time, if love really is a decision, I suppose that love at first sight would be possible.

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I think your second question makes more sense since sometimes it can take time for a person to really decide if they love another. I'm thinking about a love beyond just the immediate attraction. I think it builds from shared experiences and a shared life and that only comes with time.


I agree that there is something deeper about the love of a couple at their fiftieth wedding anniversary than young love, that's true. But I think that young love could still qualify as love, provided there's something solid behind all the hormones and attraction. Perhaps it's just untested love.



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14 Aug 2007, 10:05 pm

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Sadly? Aren't you all about freedom?


Don't remind me. It only makes it worse.
Look, there's a difference between willing
yourself towards what you may want, and
simply neglecting things for "better reasons."
I'm guilty of favoring the latter over the former,
and convinced that that destroyed my marriage.
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Don't you ever wonder if you've been poisoned, in a way?


Do you ever wonder how long one can survive without
ingesting everything that might harm them?

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Yeah, I just don't identify with that. When I love, I just love. I don't hate. Not anymore.


See, I've not hated, by my old definition.
But, I like where this one might lead. I'm
playing with it. We'll see.

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In fact, the closest thing that I experience, to hate, is directed towards the person I least love.


I KNOW that it doesn't count, if it's not real.

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Just you wait.


I admit, I had to peek (always hoping for porn or something
I guess) . Didn't stick at
all though.



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14 Aug 2007, 10:07 pm

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But at the same time, if love really is a decision, I suppose that love at first sight would be possible.


For the insane.



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14 Aug 2007, 10:26 pm

Being emotionally out of control, and liking it, sometimes.


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14 Aug 2007, 10:28 pm

Mitch8817 wrote:
Being emotionally out of control, and liking it, sometimes.


:lol:

I like that.



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14 Aug 2007, 11:40 pm

Its really just an unwritten social contract. If your really in love you've met someone who really adds something as well as adds meaning to your life, that in turn makes you want to do the same for them to the same degree. Its something where if its real and solid between two mental-adults it means that whenever life throws problems at the relationship they strive to resolve it and set things right, mainly because they know that the commitment they have between each other, the shared memories, the shared values, and the way they have each other's back when things get hard is something that's very difficult to find and the fact that the other person invested as much in them makes them realize that nothing is really worth getting in the way of it (save if the other person does have that much of an internal change for the worse or starts getting small about certain interpersonal issues, points of authority, or can't keep it in their pants).

I think another thing about people who are in love and know how to stay in love like that they know its going to be work, know it won't be easy, and also know how to communicate. Respect is an absolute must, if a couple starts having a reserved attitude toward each other in situations because of unsolved conflicts it means that love is really failing and that both people would do much better to just cut their ties, reflect on things for a while, and figure out what they may have done on their part to contribute to the problem before they go on to the next person.



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15 Aug 2007, 2:39 am

Love: A term that loses all meaning if it is defined


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15 Aug 2007, 7:42 am

a lie



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15 Aug 2007, 3:21 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
Romantic love is made possible by an amphetamine-like neurotransmitter called phenylethylamine.

Another amphetamine neurotransmitter is noradrenaline, the "fight or flight" hormone, which facilitates the emotion of fear.

Love and fear are similar in that they are energetic states of heightened alertness; they differ in that while we seek and cherish those we love, we fight or avoid what we find threatening.

What do you think?


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