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11 Sep 2007, 7:01 pm

Nobody cares about you? I certainly care. I don't want to see anyone like you hurt, and I'm pretty sure most of the people here feel the same way.

As for the love thing...well here's my take on it: Marriage these days can rarely survive if it's merely between two reasonably intelligent people. That's what my parents are, and they didn't work out. So the question is, what does makes a marriage work?

I say good job on not settling for what doesn't work. Things would be much worse if you didn't.

I tend to believe in love because it gives me hope for a decent relationship and/or loving marriage. If I gave up on love, I'd feel like I'm giving up on hope.

If you give it a chance, you'll find somebody better. Somebody who's actually worth your time. Don't give up on that. :)



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11 Sep 2007, 11:36 pm

I guess it all depends on how you define love. English, as amazing as it is in its flexability and ability to more or less absorb words from other languages, has only one word for love, whereas other languages (I'm thinking specifically Danish and Ancient Greek, but I'm sure there must be more and I'm only fammilar with Indo-European languages) have two or more words, which mean different things.

Erotic/romantic love certainly causes many problems. I often wish it would just go away becuase honestly, life would be a lot easier if that were the case. What specifically bothers me is the fact that marriage as a social institution is currently based on it in the Westernized global culture that currently exists, which really does nothing more than destablize society and make most people miserable. It's painful to experience, painful to be rejected, and painful to be socially crippled if one choose to withdraw from those kinds of "relationships." That said, there are other kinds of love. You can love humanity as a whole in a religious and/or humanistic way. You can love an individual as a friend and benefit from sharing ideas and experiences with them. Those sorts of love certainly don't strike me as being a waste of time.

Sure, "eros" (Greek word for romantic love) is full of pain and hardships. Out of all the forms of love I can think of, it's probably the most fickle, subject to change, and full of deception. That said, it's kind of foolish to write off love itself just because one of its manifesations is less than perfect.



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12 Sep 2007, 1:33 am

Love can be very painful, but I'm not going to give up hope.


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12 Sep 2007, 1:34 am

Pain can be very loving too.



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13 Sep 2007, 6:28 am

TheSoullessWhisper wrote:
Love is nothing but pain. Yeah I know what you think that it isn't. But really Love causes you nothing but pain. Mostly when you single. It so effing cool sitting and watching other people make out, hold hands, hugging and never to you. f**k love. I doubt I have a heart from all the people who crushed it in so many effing peices. Yeah so what if I'm crying my eyes out, no one cares. Since when to people care?


You seem quite young and inexperienced in matters of the heart. Love in the teen years can be intense, but it is generally meaningless. This is because your mind and body are rapidly developing and changing and you can't keep up. When you're older, say mid-twenties or more, then you will feel love more deeply.

P.S. Couples who always hold hands and make out in public are insecure and exhibitionistic. Healthy couples don't act like this. So instead of being jealous of them, realize how pathetic they are. :P



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13 Sep 2007, 6:48 am

To me, love can only exist if it's with the right person. In my case, the right person would have a combination of similar goals, interests, beliefs, and inner qualities.

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15 Sep 2007, 10:19 am

TheSoullessWhisper wrote:
Love is nothing but pain. Yeah I know what you think that it isn't. But really Love causes you nothing but pain. Mostly when you single. It so effing cool sitting and watching other people make out, hold hands, hugging and never to you. f**k love. I doubt I have a heart from all the people who crushed it in so many effing peices. Yeah so what if I'm crying my eyes out, no one cares. Since when to people care?
You're just too ugly and depressing, that's why no one likes you. Who are you kidding? Go kill yourself.



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15 Sep 2007, 10:34 am

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Is there a good deal of pain? Yes; emotional attachment is a risk, a huge risk. I took it and got hurt, many times. I got involved with someone you was unwilling to give me the emotional support that I require and still cannot hold very long conversations with said person, despite the fact that we're still friends. It hurts and it blows; there is no way around that.

Love is not inherently pain though. Desire is pain; fear is pain; passion is bliss. Love is completely neutral; you only feel pain because another emotion interferes.


so to your way of experiencing love, would you believe you could feel equal love for one, two or more people at once who you are also having sexual relationships with? If you felt pain at sharing your love with another would that mean that somehow your ability to love was not highly evolved or somehwo tainted?



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15 Sep 2007, 12:32 pm

iddqd wrote:
TheSoullessWhisper wrote:
Love is nothing but pain. Yeah I know what you think that it isn't. But really Love causes you nothing but pain. Mostly when you single. It so effing cool sitting and watching other people make out, hold hands, hugging and never to you. f**k love. I doubt I have a heart from all the people who crushed it in so many effing peices. Yeah so what if I'm crying my eyes out, no one cares. Since when to people care?
You're just too ugly and depressing, that's why no one likes you. Who are you kidding? Go kill yourself.

This is not acceptable. Post like this again and you'll lose your posting privileges.


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15 Sep 2007, 2:21 pm

One should love themself the most. One that does not love themself can be sad. Being sad can be gloomy.



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15 Sep 2007, 2:23 pm

Some of us have a LOT of trouble loving ourselves.

But, I'm glad you didn't spout the crap about not
really being able to love someone else, unless you
do yourself - as I KNOW that that is false.