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02 Dec 2007, 1:27 am

your former wife is insane!! !! !! !! !! !! !! ! Dump a man who takes care of your children, who agrees to be a stay-at-home dad? Does she know how difficult it is to find men like that? That's nuts! If I had a man like that I would hold on to him and never let him go.

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My former wife is a doctor.
We met when I worked in a lab at the hospital she was doing her resindency at.
Because of her earning ability compared to mine, we decided I'd stay at home so our daughter would not have to spend her early years in full-time daycare.
After she gave birth to our daughter, I turned into a house-dad (or whatever you call it).
I still worked part-time when I could, but I stayed at home taking care of our daughter for her entire life.

When my former wife decided to divorce me 12 yrs later... she stated in court documents that I was.... and I quote...
"Unfit to be even a part time parent!". 8O

There was never any abuse from me of any kind towards my wife or our daughter.

In the document, she stated the reason for her wanting full custody was due to my gender confusion and the harm it would cause our daughter.

That really shook me up. We went from her saying we were going to be best friends to me being unfit as a parent after being the primary child-rearing parent for our daughter's entire life!

Our daughter is very well adjusted, very intelligent and mature. Jeez! I feel so bad that I ruined her life! :roll:

The court and the mediator they assigned us, disregarded her statement luckily.
We were ordered to go to a counselor about the child-custody issue and my former wife admitted to the lady there that this whole "unfit to be even a part-time parent" was said because my former wife was mad at me.

Now, I know my former wife loves our daughter. Our girl wouldn't be the same person without both of us in her life.
But to take out her anger/bitterness/frustrations by trying to tear apart the relationship my daughter and I have is just too hard to comprehend.
I cannot imagine how terrible her frame-of-mind was at that time to attempt this sort of thing.

Divorces are hell... that's for sure... FOR EVERYONE! :(


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02 Dec 2007, 3:05 am

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I know that this does happen, but at the same time, from personal experience, I'd be wary of a guy who claimed that it had happened to him. I'd need to know a great deal about him before I'd be comfortable believing him. My ex used to complain a lot about his exes and bad things that they did, and after a while of being with him I realized that he had twisted around all those stories. For example, he said that this one girl cheated on him, and the truth ended up being that she smiled at a guy friend and my ex, in a jealous rage, totally lost it and threatened to kill her. I saw that side of him in court, too. He fabricated an intricate sob story that he told in court, all lies. I was just lucky the judge saw through it.

One helpful way to tell if people are being honest about a "psycho ex" is to observe how they talk about their other exes. If all of their exes are characterized as unstable freaks, then you probably have the real freak right in front of you.

Not to say that this is what's going on in your case. I just have to throw that warning out there for my own peace of mind.


I always remember that the ex may be psycho, but it says something about the person that chose the psycho ex in the first place.
99% of the time the ex was psycho in the first place. . .or the relationship pulled the psycho out of them. None of it says much for the person who 'chose them' too. What, did you think the love of a good partner was going to 'save' them?

Merle



02 Dec 2007, 3:20 am

I talk about my ex's and they are just about all negative stuff about them. Rarely good things about them. Does that mean I'm psycho. :)



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02 Dec 2007, 3:28 am

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I talk about my ex's and they are just about all negative stuff about them. Rarely good things about them. Does that mean I'm psycho. :)


no, it probably means it is easier to grieve over the loss of them in anger and thinking of their short comings in a way that will put distance and the feeling that what you did was right to end the relationship.

After a while you miss the relationship more than you miss the partner. That is difficult to deal with.

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02 Dec 2007, 3:28 am

Spokane_Girl wrote:
I talk about my ex's and they are just about all negative stuff about them. Rarely good things about them. Does that mean I'm psycho. :)


mmm....I don't think so. not really.


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02 Dec 2007, 12:11 pm

Spokane_Girl wrote:
I talk about my ex's and they are just about all negative stuff about them. Rarely good things about them. Does that mean I'm psycho. :)


yes, you are just like me ... so you are a psycho :P



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02 Dec 2007, 2:30 pm

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I always remember that the ex may be psycho, but it says something about the person that chose the psycho ex in the first place.
99% of the time the ex was psycho in the first place. . .or the relationship pulled the psycho out of them. None of it says much for the person who 'chose them' too. What, did you think the love of a good partner was going to 'save' them?

Merle


I am not cowed by fabricated statistics. :) My situation doesn't conform. I suspect you may have some personal insight into what it might have been like for me, but you weren't there and you don't know.

Spokane, there's a difference between talking about someone's negative traits and the sort of demonization to which I was referring, but keep in mind that my reaction is my own response to my experiences, not some law of the universe. All I meant is that in my experience, people with long strings of improbable stories of having been victimized by horrible, scheming "bad people" have turned out to be very bad news. I have no doubt that there are many real people who have had life-long bad luck through little or no fault of their own, but my experience puts me on the look-out for those whose real problems are more internal than external, and who habitually visit that pain on those around them.


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02 Dec 2007, 8:55 pm

Lonelylady,

Thank you for the sentiment.


I'm glad I came back here and read the responses following mine.
I think there have been some good comments made.

I agree that these situations can occur where either partner is capable of playing the victim role and painting the other person in a poor and possibly inaccurate light.

I described some of what I went through in my divorce. I hope it was clear that what I find disconcerting are her actions... not her as a person.

I feel obligated to allow her the same feelings of pain, loss, regret, etc. that I have felt over this divorce.
I feel obligated to try and understand where her motives for her actions might be coming from.

I could easily write her off as a vindictive, selfish, b***h... but I won't. It doesn't seem fair to me.
In fact, if I did act that way, it would show a shallowness of character that I do not wish to own or display.

Herein lies the reason, perhaps, for my naiveness when I believe that we could still somehow be friends of some degree.
I can put all the difficulties behind me and treat her with respect and be friendly... even caring... and I do wish she could do the same.
Perhaps someday it will happen. I am learning though that I cannot interfere with my personal growth by waiting for this to occur.

Once again.. the reason I choose not to use the term "ex" when talking about her, is that it seems to be used almost exclusively in a negative manner by most people.


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02 Dec 2007, 9:20 pm

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sinsboldly wrote:

I always remember that the ex may be psycho, but it says something about the person that chose the psycho ex in the first place.
99% of the time the ex was psycho in the first place. . .or the relationship pulled the psycho out of them. None of it says much for the person who 'chose them' too. What, did you think the love of a good partner was going to 'save' them?

Merle


I am not cowed by fabricated statistics. :) My situation doesn't conform. I suspect you may have some personal insight into what it might have been like for me, but you weren't there and you don't know.


Oh! I wasn't writing to you personally, Gwenevyn. I wasn't. Of course I was not there and of course I don't know a blessed thing about you personally.

I was just commenting that so few people take any responsibility for their choices romantically/relationship wise.

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02 Dec 2007, 9:28 pm

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Oh! I wasn't writing to you personally, Gwenevyn. I wasn't.


:oops: I seem to be in the habit of taking things unduly personally lately. I'm sorry!


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02 Dec 2007, 10:55 pm

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I was just commenting that so few people take any responsibility for their choices romantically/relationship wise.


True. Sometimes shi* just happens too. :lol:

I messed up, and I'll be the first to admit it...the first month we started dating the warning signs were there, I just chose to ignore them...we were (and are) total polar opposites...but I wasn't in the right frame of mind at the time...really I had no business dating at all...should have been working on getting my head back on straight instead.

I had just lost my father, was going through a cancer scare, my workplace had just went under new ownership (I was doing all the training), and I was fighting with my mother quite a bit, neither of us were dealing with things very well...there was no one to talk to...he showed up...and he was THERE every day...and he didn't run away.

I don't believe it was a mistake though...there were some very good times too, it wasn't all bad, I have a wonderful son...a mistake only remains a mistake if you don't learn something from it...just wish in my case it didn't take 10 years to learn what I did.


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03 Dec 2007, 7:13 am

The moral of the story: never marry and never have kids. All marriages end up unhappy and unloving even if the partners tolerate each other's existence.



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03 Dec 2007, 12:20 pm

I've been lied about to police by my ex. They threw me in jail twice, 8-10 hours each, just because she said I hit her. (Slightly absurd, since I find that women hitting me is much more pleasurable. :oops: )

I may be a bit perverted, but I'm a total teady bear whether in or out of love, and have been my whole life. I'd rather break down and cry about our not seeing eye-to-eye than physically fight with my woman.


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03 Dec 2007, 12:53 pm

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He would laugh and tell "me" how he was going to "trade me in"...and he could have me sucking my thumb in a fetal position in the corner if he wanted to.


If I was there, I might have punched him straight in the mouth for saying that.
Bastards earn my wrath. :x
He'd be crying in a fetal position by the time I was done with him.


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05 Dec 2007, 1:02 pm

I think it is very sad that some women would lie about things like abuse. No matter how difficult the divorce procedure is and how much bitterness there is on both sides, this is one of those things you shouldn't lie about. There are many women out there who are in abusive relationships and are afraid to run away because they think no one will believe them/help them. Women who lie about such things make them look less credible.


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05 Dec 2007, 2:55 pm

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I think it is very sad that some women would lie about things like abuse. No matter how difficult the divorce procedure is and how much bitterness there is on both sides, this is one of those things you shouldn't lie about. There are many women out there who are in abusive relationships and are afraid to run away because they think no one will believe them/help them. Women who lie about such things make them look less credible.


I was shocked, as an abused woman, by how I was treated by some of the officers who worked on my case. They are so jaded by liars, some of them treated me very poorly. Others were very kind, but the bad ones made me reluctant to make more reports later on. I have a stack of unreported instances in which my abuser has violated the restraining order and I have not gone to the police station in over a year to update the report because I'm not looking forward to potentially being treated like a liar again. It's very stressful.

Once I made a report to an officer and later on when the case was being prosecuted, the detective working on the case tried to look up that particular report and found that the officer had lied to me about writing it up.

I can hardly blame the jaded ones for feeling that way... once when I was in the prosecuting attorney's office I heard one of those lying women call up and harrass the secretary. It was awful. But it's so cruel to treat a frightened woman like she's up to no good.


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