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21 Dec 2007, 6:04 pm

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I will have to came back to you on that because I have to get back to work. I probably do have enough money to do the things you're thinking over. However, are attracted to men who they can give their offspring the best start. And even if they don't want children that line of thinking is instictual


Well do you want kids?

If not then you are going to a harder path. It one of those common preferences whether or not you wanted kids.



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21 Dec 2007, 8:03 pm

The realities of the mainstream dating scene are complete scrap, we all know that, we've all heard Dave DeAngelo, Stylez, and the like. We know they're, for sadly the majority what they're saying is dead aim. The trick is whether the person they're telling you to project is part of your natural personality - ie. is it part of you that you'd have fun projecting, would be able to project from an honest place in your heart to where you wouldn't be deviating so far from your true self that it would just be a facade. David D said it and I agree, they can tell a put on from a mile away so, being your not too different from myself and prefer sincerity - I think it would really blow up in your face unless you really had fun doing it and knew how to be really at peace with it.

For me it can't be just because that sort of thing is so much of a drain and so tiring that I wouldn't even want her once I got her - the maintenance on that one would just be a complete nightmare. Not that I can't be a fun or very funny guy at times IRL, just that I am an introvert and sometimes its me sometimes its not. I still prefer quality over quantity relationships and I really like my freedom so I'd never want some girl who's real dependent or jealous - that would be far worse than just being single. That said if I'm living like David D before he did his studying up on psychology and figuring this out, if I'm solely living on hope that I'll have 'luck' and the right girl will see me at the right time when I'm showing the right flare - so be it.



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21 Dec 2007, 9:42 pm

This is an excellent video with tons of great advice.

And notice how spending money on women is never mentioned? That's because spending money on women is a sure sign of low status, it's showing that you literally need to pay for her company!

This isn't about conning people, it's about finding the ability to display your inner qualities in a way that's palatable to women.

If you wanted to be understood by someone from China, wouldn't it make sense to learn Chinese? What's amoral or deceptive about that? There's a difference between learning to speak Chinese and pretending to be Chinese.


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21 Dec 2007, 10:25 pm

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Unfortunately we are not NT. No matter how much we may want to be NT, we aren't. So the majority of that video is being shot down by simple reality. Non-verbal cues, gesturing, facial expressions, eye contact. Not something that many people with Asperger's can handle well.


Although I can understand where you're coming from, this is not anything like a hopeless situation.

Think of being in NT world like holding your breath - you can train yourself to be in an environment which is not your own for longer and longer periods of time, but only up to a certain point.

I'm sitting at home on a Friday night at 10pm, and there's a reason - I don't want to do a damn thing besides sit here in my pajamas and converse over the internet. This is not a shameful thing, this does not make me a loser, this makes me a person who is both aware of and unapologetic for his differences. Sometimes I can't take the stress of being able to read everybody's body language, the flood of communication which occurs at the time of eye contact, the onrush of calculations and brainpower this requires can be exhausting, and if I'm not in the mood for it, I'm not in the mood for it.

In fact, we are at an advantage in these areas if we take the time to learn. We can be better at this than NTs because we know what we're doing and why, instead of just acting on instinct. Put in the effort, get the results. You'll be the friggin Six Million Dollar Man, but like, in the crotch and stuff. :)

It took me a long time and a lot of practice to be able to make eye contact, and if it surprises me I will still look away. Sometimes I feel very private and take it as an intrusion, and I just want to be alone a lot of the time.

I just really like the option of being able to go somewhere and have my pick of the women. Or, if someone's being a passive aggressive douchebag the ability to demonstrate to him that you could take his girlfriend any time you wanted to. :twisted:

And don't worry too much, that's the killer, confidence is the key. Easier said than done, but aspies are actually super-attractive to women if we aren't worried about coming off like idiots all the time. Our obliviousness can come off as "not giving a crap what anyone thinks of us", aka confidence.

One of the most successful guys I've ever known in terms of women is about 5'2" with buck teeth, looks like a guinea pig or something. He's the type of guy that thinks it's funny to cut your hair in a mullet, doesn't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks of him, and says crazy outrageous stuff all the time, which makes him popular with both sexes.

If you think you're the type of guy that had better settle for what he can get, you will be.


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21 Dec 2007, 11:07 pm

I think the first step is not to worry about what women like, but more about what the one woman you're interested in likes...;)

there's no one thing that will work with all women. I think a big thing is to just pay attention...;) I'm sure varying women want attention in varying amounts, but a goodly number of them want attention of some sort.

every social interaction is different, and it would be a big help to us all if there was a magic rulebook, but there isn't. Take it slow, but realize at some point you have to take a risk and make a move of some sort (that sort of thing stymied me for years..;)



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22 Dec 2007, 9:53 am

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I think the first step is not to worry about what women like, but more about what the one woman you're interested in likes...;)

there's no one thing that will work with all women. I think a big thing is to just pay attention...;) I'm sure varying women want attention in varying amounts, but a goodly number of them want attention of some sort.

every social interaction is different, and it would be a big help to us all if there was a magic rulebook, but there isn't. Take it slow, but realize at some point you have to take a risk and make a move of some sort (that sort of thing stymied me for years..;)
This is sensible advice - women prefer to be treated as individuals rather than stereotyped.


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22 Dec 2007, 3:30 pm

Taking a look at this video though, there's a few things I've done lately even that I hadn't even thought of in the immediate sense as trying to show flare but I'm starting to understand my own underlying psychology.

On example, there's a chain restaurant, a bar and steakhouse, that actually serves Lucky Charms on the menu. My friends had mentioned that to me and one of our other friends just had to order it because - it was just weird and different. I went out with a whole group of friends to that bar, like the usual time 10 to 2 AM, and around 12:00 when they were closing the kitchen I was still kinda hungry and I thought "Hey, I'll order some Lucky Charms"; so there I was sitting at the bar, while everyone else is drinking, with a huge bowl of cereal and milk. And the funniest thing was I felt like pimp s--- eating cereal at the bar, I knew it work out like that just because it shows a bit of guts and "whatever, I don't care if its a bar - I feel like some Lucky Charms right now"; and yeah, all our female friends were tripping out about it and wanted to get pictures with me and the cereal. I think people get a real positive laugh out of that kind of thing and I think that was part of why I did it - partly to amuse myself and partly just to draw some attention because I'm not really the most chatty guy out there half the time.

Another thing with groups, yeah, I've always been one to want to talk to the group in general first - partly because if I am interested in the girl and especially if there are guys in the group I'd rather know if she's x's girfriend; if they're cool and I have fun talking to them all, its no loss even just because if they take to me on even just a friendship level, they have friends as well so in effect its just a good practice of social networking. Though my only problem, of course, if they are single I'll have a hell of a time actually breaking the red tape - I tend to do terribly at initiating which is probably why I try to throw every other possible circumstantial tangent at the situation to hint at it without directly saying anything.



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22 Dec 2007, 4:38 pm

I took a quick peek at the very beginning of the video. And was immediately put off by that comment about "the bedroom." 90% of the guys I have met in life, have been a huge disappointment to me, because of trying to put the bedroom first. I found it alienating, and insulting. They didn't care about me, as an individual. They just viewed me as an opportunity to get "some action." :x


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22 Dec 2007, 4:45 pm

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"Hey, I'll order some Lucky Charms"; so there I was sitting at the bar, while everyone else is drinking, with a huge bowl of cereal and milk. And the funniest thing was I felt like pimp s--- eating cereal at the bar, I knew it work out like that just because it shows a bit of guts and "whatever, I don't care if its a bar - I feel like some Lucky Charms right now"; and yeah, all our female friends were tripping out about it and wanted to get pictures with me and the cereal. I think people get a real positive laugh out of that kind of thing and I think that was part of why I did it - partly to amuse myself and partly just to draw some attention because I'm not really the most chatty guy out there half the time.


We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

Dude, that is awesome!


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22 Dec 2007, 6:06 pm

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We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

Dude, that is awesome!


Heh, no worries, I'll still probably be single longer than anyone. But still, people love fun/asinine stuff like that.



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23 Dec 2007, 4:19 am

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I took a quick peek at the very beginning of the video. And was immediately put off by that comment about "the bedroom." 90% of the guys I have met in life, have been a huge disappointment to me, because of trying to put the bedroom first. I found it alienating, and insulting. They didn't care about me, as an individual. They just viewed me as an opportunity to get "some action." :x


I am sure he didn't mean the bedroom because of sex things. He means meeting people in the place they find most comfortable. For same people that might be at work, unfortunately if no woman go to neither then they have to go to the next best thing.

What I didn't like is the advice for chatting up an attractive woman. "watch those loser try their luck, I want to watch another one being shot down." I don't think I ever want a woman that would respond well to that.



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24 Dec 2007, 8:59 am

You don't speak for all of us.

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1) If your more of an introverted person, then by changing yourself to become more extroverted will only allow you to feel more self aware because while acting you will become much more nervous

2) By becoming something you are not will only serve you to have short term relationships on the whole because you will find people who will not know the real you.

3) Women are not much different than men, they need to find a relationship and a mate in just the same way as a man. The secret is that there are women who are shy and are looking for a sensitive, intelligent man.

4) You might be alone for a good few years but eventually the best kind of love will spark from that normal encounter.

5) If your shy and introverted you may even come across as mysterious, laid back, cool, sophisticated, deep, emotional etc. these are some of the greatest ever qualities in all people.

6) If you don't want to be a funny person and prefer to be serious that is fine. Why would everyone want to be with a person who don't anything serious

7) The man on the video exists in the sheep herd world, he thinks no one gives a dam about others. You have to believe that its is a great thing to be sensitive about others feelings and even that red blush shows how much a human being you are not just the type of person society and the media try to make us think is a human.

9) Eye contact is the problem, yet again its not a disaster because to much eye contact can freak anyone out. try to smile to balance this issue.

10) The best place to meet people for us lot is on the internet, I have met tons of women who really wanted to meet up. Make sure your fairly local to the person in question. It takes about 2 weeks to take away the masks of chatters, Make the first move by saying something different and avoid any chat about sex or even love. after 2 weeks talk about how you feel, be honest and truthful as much as u can. Be yourself and eventually you should find out of about 1 in 5 a women who will be exactly suited to an easy meeting. After or around the month is the perfect time of the meet. If not a meet on the net try looking for a course on things that your interested in.

11) Another great thing to do is to go out for walks, even better with a dog. Your dog will attract women to the idea of a man who loves animals and is close to nature. It is a great thing to go out in the open and feel close to nature and to learn more about yourself.

12) Learn to love yourself, try not to question yourself. If you ask people questions about self doubts you might end up with some soul destroying answers. only you can answer the questions and also we are all human and can be loved by the eye of the beholder.

Stop reading on how to pull women anyway its a two way thing. Forget about women being meat for sexual pleasure. Society is shallow but there are always people are are not.

Good Luck and I hope I may have helped in anyway.

Nebula.



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26 Dec 2007, 8:18 pm

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I could only watch this video for half way through because it was really starting to wind me up. Firstly the guy who is telling us about how to pull women and he as got to be one of the most sexist pathetic individuals ever. The comment about the best place being the bedroom instantly tells us that he his looking for only sex and if at first this seems great believe me when I say its only a going to fulfill you for a short period. ....


I like everything you wrote here. Great advice!



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28 Dec 2007, 1:55 pm

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I think the first step is not to worry about what women like, but more about what the one woman you're interested in likes...;)

there's no one thing that will work with all women. I think a big thing is to just pay attention...;) I'm sure varying women want attention in varying amounts, but a goodly number of them want attention of some sort.


I agree! :)



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28 Dec 2007, 1:56 pm

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I took a quick peek at the very beginning of the video. And was immediately put off by that comment about "the bedroom." 90% of the guys I have met in life, have been a huge disappointment to me, because of trying to put the bedroom first. I found it alienating, and insulting. They didn't care about me, as an individual. They just viewed me as an opportunity to get "some action." :x


Ditto.



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28 Dec 2007, 2:41 pm

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Didn't you watch the video sucker! :x Personality and humor is vastly more important then looks.

I thought the video was pretty good, apart from a few minor things. One thing I have a problem with is humor though. People have always told me I have a good sense of humor, but it is very dry and offbeat, sometimes very sarcastic and sardonic, sometimes sick, but people still laugh. I have trouble translating this with people I don't know well sometimes, and I don't want to be off-putting.