Men and their desire to speak for women

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Haliphron
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29 Jul 2008, 8:45 pm

I'd also like to point out to catspurr that Women are competitive too ya know. I realize thats a generalization but it happens to be a TRUE generalization. Im sick of the tired old myth that women are cooperative and men are competitive because in fact BOTH sexes are primarily competitive but will cooperate now and then. Lemme tell ya, sports and video games are competitive but not NEARLY as much as the mating game. Cuz losing the mating game has far much further reaching consequences than losing a sports game.



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29 Jul 2008, 10:07 pm

Yes girls are competitive. I never said they werent!

I still will never understand the need to compete for someone. I'm not single by the way. I never competed for the person I am with now. He didn't play that stupid game either. Actually after we ended up seeing each other suddenly these girls that never flirted with him before started trying to entice him. I just laughed about it because it wasn't the first time it happened.

If he would have done anything considering this was all in front of my face, well that would be a no brainer! I can't say if there is a who has it worse when it comes to men and women because I only know from a female perspective.

I have however seen men get into fights over women and vice versa but people think cat fights are sexy.



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29 Jul 2008, 10:40 pm

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2a) Telling a woman to not fall for suave guys just because they're suave makes better sense than just warning her to stay away from them all.


You miss the point. How about not assuming women are too stupid to make their own choices on whom to date?

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4) Not all women are out to steal a man's worldy possessions. But I have yet to meet a woman who does not somehow lay claim to some entitlement for her boyfriend's residence (for decorating, living, or both), mode of transportation, or free time.


I have yet to meet a man who does not somehow lay claim to some entitlement of his girlfriend, in overt possessiveness of her person when in public, in making obvious their sexual relationship, and/or in staking out her home and vehicle as his own social territory.



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29 Jul 2008, 11:52 pm

catspurr wrote:
Yes girls are competitive. I never said they werent!

I still will never understand the need to compete for someone.


Study evolution then you will understand it. :lol: That's how I understand it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YQrLPW5DdY&feature=related[/youtube]


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but people think cat fights are sexy.
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30 Jul 2008, 12:38 am

Agreed. We need to stop making assumptions about women and realize that there are exceptions. I need to do this as well, for my own particular "type."



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30 Jul 2008, 1:53 am

sojournertruth wrote:
Fnord wrote:
2a) Telling a woman to not fall for suave guys just because they're suave makes better sense than just warning her to stay away from them all.


You miss the point. How about not assuming women are too stupid to make their own choices on whom to date?

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4) Not all women are out to steal a man's worldy possessions. But I have yet to meet a woman who does not somehow lay claim to some entitlement for her boyfriend's residence (for decorating, living, or both), mode of transportation, or free time.


I have yet to meet a man who does not somehow lay claim to some entitlement of his girlfriend, in overt possessiveness of her person when in public, in making obvious their sexual relationship, and/or in staking out her home and vehicle as his own social territory.


The second paragraph I really do have to agree with. Men often behave possessively towards women; though Ive never truly understood why women dont return the favor and do the same thing with men. Female jealousy exists but its much rarer than male jealousy-that is a generalization but I once read a statistic that 9 out of 10 stalkers are men. QED
I guess what women do in return is to act possessive towards a mans property instead of the man himself :lol: .
The trouble with the first paragraph is that women(particularly the younger ones)stupidly blame men as a group for the bad choices THEY Themselves made in terms of choosing which guys to hook up with.



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30 Jul 2008, 6:27 am

it's because we guys here are jerks,mean ,losers, dirts and.... NOW NOW guys.

That's what you think and that's the answer that you want it to hear, enjoy it.



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30 Jul 2008, 7:36 am

It depends on how you view life, but if you get into Darwinism, you realize that competition is all about passing on your genes. All of this socialization crap is just a highly evolved mating ritual.



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30 Jul 2008, 10:32 am

sojournertruth wrote:
Fnord wrote:
2a) Telling a woman to not fall for suave guys just because they're suave makes better sense than just warning her to stay away from them all.

You miss the point. How about not assuming women are too stupid to make their own choices on whom to date?

Because I know too many women my own age who still go all a-flutter whenever a smooth-talking guy throws some attention their way.

The same goes for a lot of men my age - all it takes is some buxom cutie to smile and shake her assets in some guy's face and he becomes unglued.

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4) Not all women are out to steal a man's worldy possessions. But I have yet to meet a woman who does not somehow lay claim to some entitlement for her boyfriend's residence (for decorating, living, or both), mode of transportation, or free time.

I have yet to meet a man who does not somehow lay claim to some entitlement of his girlfriend, in overt possessiveness of her person when in public, in making obvious their sexual relationship, and/or in staking out her home and vehicle as his own social territory.

And this is exactly why no one should consider it "cheating" when the person they are dating goes out on a date with someone else - it isn't cheating until they're married.


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30 Jul 2008, 11:18 am

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And this is exactly why no one should consider it "cheating" when the person they are dating goes out on a date with someone else - it isn't cheating until they're married.


Hrmm............ :? Perhaps this is one of the reasons why people are so reluctant to get married.They prefer to have their sexual freedom(Women TOO you know)instead of being committed to one person. I really disagree that it isnt cheating until one is married.Sleeping around while you're officially in a relationship is still cheating! If Im dating someone than I follow the unwritten rules which are that I dont date others simultaneously and I ONLY wish to date those who also follow such rules.
What infuriates me is this new breed of woman who wants a man to support her and be there when she needs him but still feels entitled to her sexual freedom. :x



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30 Jul 2008, 11:41 am

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I really disagree that it isnt cheating until one is married.Sleeping around while you're officially in a relationship is still cheating! If Im dating someone than I follow the unwritten rules which are that I dont date others simultaneously and I ONLY wish to date those who also follow such rules.

What makes a relationship "official"? Mutual consent? An exchangeof bodily fluids? A piece of carbon crystal mounted on a metal torus? Signing a license to mate and participating in a binding ritual in front of witnesses?

Unwritten rules are mere assumptions, and not worth the paper they're not written on.

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What infuriates me is this new breed of woman who wants a man to support her and be there when she needs him but still feels entitled to her sexual freedom. :x

Why is it that when some women start behaving like men, they don't want to behave like nice men?


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30 Jul 2008, 11:47 am

To answer your question: what makes a relationship *official* is mutual consent.



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30 Jul 2008, 11:51 am

Haliphron wrote:
To answer your question: what makes a relationship *official* is mutual consent.

Then that consent can be secretly and temporarily suspended by one party, without informing the other, and without penalty.

At least in a legal marriage, the penalty could be an equally legal divorce. Otherwise, it's just an ordinary break-up.


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30 Jul 2008, 11:56 am

Fnord wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
To answer your question: what makes a relationship *official* is mutual consent.

Then that consent can be secretly and temporarily suspended by one party, without informing the other, and without penalty.

At least in a legal marriage, the penalty could be an equally legal divorce. Otherwise, it's just an ordinary break-up.


Thats the trouble. There's no (legal)way to punish sluts and manwhores :x But you seem to think that cheating on your partner is ok if you're not married to them; I however do NOT and I choose not to date people who think like that. :wink:
If I were cohabiting/supporting a gf and she decided that it was OK to cheat I'd dump her out on her skank ass. :lol:



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30 Jul 2008, 12:43 pm

Haliphron wrote:
... you seem to think that cheating on your partner is ok if you're not married to them...

No.

I say that if you're not married to someone, then it's not cheating if he or she has sex with someone else.

But you can still use their promiscuity as an excuse to justify your own.


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30 Jul 2008, 2:10 pm

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Haliphron wrote:
... you seem to think that cheating on your partner is ok if you're not married to them...

No.

I say that if you're not married to someone, then it's not cheating if he or she has sex with someone else.



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Regardless of the nomenclature for it, just because there's no binding legal agreement Doesnt make it Ok!
Promiscuity is immoral,self-indulgent,and potentially dangerous AFAIC. I do NOT engage in promiscuity and I REFUSE to
tolerate it! Dont you seee??? It MAKES NO f*****g DIFFERENCE TO ME WHETHER I AM MARRIED TO SOMEONE OR NOT!
WHY cant you understand that?!? Rampant promiscuity among gays is the primary reason why the gay community has been
ravaged by AIDS. :skull: