Dates from hell...

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Yes I thought she was being friendly. I didn't really think of her that way, which probably made things a bit easier that they would have been. Though if people are telling me, you think I’d take the hint. Somehow I just thought people were messing with me as usual.

I have no bad dating experiences so far, but this is solely a consequence of a huge lack of dates. I had only a handful of dates in my life, so the lesser dates you have the smaller the chance it goes terribly wrong. The few dates I had were actually all quite nice, but it has never lead to anything serious that could have turned into a lasting romance.

Oh please , wake up from your ideal world, the "man must initiate first" principle has nothing to do with equal or no-equal society , it's a rule that makes the dating life for girls easier and it's a real advantage for them in the serial monogamous society , that's why they are not going to give up that advantage just for you (unless if you are rich and super sexy or famous).

If you are an ordinary guy then I fear that you have to play according to the society's rules.

nobody, male or female will date someone they don't consider attractive in some respct, its not being picky, its just nature. but that is completely off track, this was meant to be light-hearted accounts of dates gone wrong!

Please refrian from personal attacks.

Honestly, I do think it is one of those silly gender roles. Luckily in many European countries women now take the initiative as well, and this is how it should be everywhere. I dislike gender stereotypes in general, and I know you sort of are forced into it if you dont want to stay single, but still I think it is a silly gender stereotype. But you are of course spot on in the reason why this unwritten rule exists.

Catastrophic dates? One in particular comes to mind...

She invited me out, planned the entire evening, made the reservations, picked me up in her car, drove us to the restaurant, ordered for the both of us, and then expected me to pick up the check. I refused, and ended up walking home to find a few dozen hate-filled messages on my answering machine, each one describing how embarrassed she was to have gone out with such a cheapskate as yours truly.

years back when I was 17... I went for drinks with my boyfriend and my best friend and her boyfriend.

Toward the end of the evening my boyfriend started rubbing my best friends knee and then started trying to pick a fight with her boyfriend. I was so embarrassed!


He was a very funny boyfriend I have lots of nightmare date stories with him, I will try and remember some.

A few years later and another boyfriend... went out to a nightclub and doorman says we cant go in, why not i ask, door man says "your boyfriends been banned for sexually assaulting women"

I know how to pick em!

If you truly think that NT women somehow need it easier to get dates you are misguided. And I don't think you understood my post, I'm well aware of how the world works, there's nothing wrong with having a different view on how things could be easier on the average person who isn't self-centered or narcissistic.