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30 Nov 2008, 4:41 pm

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I hate it how single mothers refer to their sons as the "love of my life!"...... :x
That is SO creepy, if you think a little bit about the implications of it.

Oh, I'd give them benefit of the doubt there. But the real implication you have to worry about is that any guy who gets together with her is dispensible, and had better fall in line or else.



Exactly. For some reason this seems PARTICULARLY true if a single mom has sons. But most single men(who are childless themselves)tend to avoid single mothers because of the issues you mentioned. Thus, being a single mother greatly lowers a womans desirability and such women generally cannot afford to be as picky.

I don't know about everyone else, but it's an extreme turn-off for me if a woman has any children. I don't want to be raising somebody else's children.



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30 Nov 2008, 5:08 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
BPalmer wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
I hate it how single mothers refer to their sons as the "love of my life!"...... :x
That is SO creepy, if you think a little bit about the implications of it.

Oh, I'd give them benefit of the doubt there. But the real implication you have to worry about is that any guy who gets together with her is dispensible, and had better fall in line or else.



Exactly. For some reason this seems PARTICULARLY true if a single mom has sons. But most single men(who are childless themselves)tend to avoid single mothers because of the issues you mentioned. Thus, being a single mother greatly lowers a womans desirability and such women generally cannot afford to be as picky.

I don't know about everyone else, but it's an extreme turn-off for me if a woman has any children. I don't want to be raising somebody else's children.


I have often wondered why people felt this way about 'somebody else's children'. I can understand not wanting to raise children at all, but what is this about not wanting to raise somebody' ELSE'S children? I just don't understand, is all.
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30 Nov 2008, 5:25 pm

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I have often wondered why people felt this way about 'somebody else's children'. I can understand not wanting to raise children at all, but what is this about not wanting to raise somebody' ELSE'S children? I just don't understand, is all.


Single mothers, as we've established in this thread, tend to want to raise the kid(s) they already have and tend to be less interested in adding more children to the list, and any man they later find they're more interested in a stable financial base to raise said existing kids. Conversely, most of us aspies, if we are to raise any children at all, we want them to be out own children...



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30 Nov 2008, 5:29 pm

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Most of us aspies, if we are to raise any children at all, we want them to be our own children

I wouldn't, due to the danger of passing on some form of autism.



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30 Nov 2008, 5:44 pm

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I have often wondered why people felt this way about 'somebody else's children'. I can understand not wanting to raise children at all, but what is this about not wanting to raise somebody' ELSE'S children? I just don't understand, is all.


Single mothers, as we've established in this thread, tend to want to raise the kid(s) they already have and tend to be less interested in adding more children to the list, and any man they later find they're more interested in a stable financial base to raise said existing kids. Conversely, most of us aspies, if we are to raise any children at all, we want them to be out own children...


as we have established on this thread. . .
this made me laugh, as we could have 'established' that the sun sets in the East, but it wouldn't make it so. Some single mothers just wanna get laid for the night and never introduce you to their children at all. But whatever, Toad Of Steel, if you have made up your mind it is not my business what motivates you.

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30 Nov 2008, 6:03 pm

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I hate it how single mothers refer to their sons as the "love of my life!"...... :x
That is SO creepy, if you think a little bit about the implications of it.


from earlier in this thread...



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30 Nov 2008, 6:13 pm

Haliphron wrote:
BPalmer wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
I hate it how single mothers refer to their sons as the "love of my life!"...... :x
That is SO creepy, if you think a little bit about the implications of it.

Oh, I'd give them benefit of the doubt there. But the real implication you have to worry about is that any guy who gets together with her is dispensible, and had better fall in line or else.



Exactly. For some reason this seems PARTICULARLY true if a single mom has sons. But most single men(who are childless themselves)tend to avoid single mothers because of the issues you mentioned. Thus, being a single mother greatly lowers a womans desirability and such women generally cannot afford to be as picky.


As a single mom, I can say that the logic of both statements is flawed.
Not only can a single mother afford to be picky, she can't afford not to be picky. For her child(rens') sake and her own. And once she finds the person who is right, it is less likely that he will be dispensible, as a stable relationship is better for her child(ren). A single mother is looking for a man who is caring, honest, a good role model, etc. And trust me, there is no way a responsible single mother would trust anyone else to raise her children, at least not at first....and the statement alone that you wouldn't want to "raise someone else's children" would disqualify you immediately.



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30 Nov 2008, 7:58 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
BPalmer wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
I hate it how single mothers refer to their sons as the "love of my life!"...... :x
That is SO creepy, if you think a little bit about the implications of it.

Oh, I'd give them benefit of the doubt there. But the real implication you have to worry about is that any guy who gets together with her is dispensible, and had better fall in line or else.



Exactly. For some reason this seems PARTICULARLY true if a single mom has sons. But most single men(who are childless themselves)tend to avoid single mothers because of the issues you mentioned. Thus, being a single mother greatly lowers a womans desirability and such women generally cannot afford to be as picky.

I don't know about everyone else, but it's an extreme turn-off for me if a woman has any children. I don't want to be raising somebody else's children.


I have often wondered why people felt this way about 'somebody else's children'. I can understand not wanting to raise children at all, but what is this about not wanting to raise somebody' ELSE'S children? I just don't understand, is all.
Merle

Because I'd be putting time and resources into children who are not my own offspring. It's the same instinct you see in animals when they kill off the old young—obviously it doesn't come to that in humans, though.



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30 Nov 2008, 8:12 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
BPalmer wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
I hate it how single mothers refer to their sons as the "love of my life!"...... :x
That is SO creepy, if you think a little bit about the implications of it.

Oh, I'd give them benefit of the doubt there. But the real implication you have to worry about is that any guy who gets together with her is dispensible, and had better fall in line or else.



Exactly. For some reason this seems PARTICULARLY true if a single mom has sons. But most single men(who are childless themselves)tend to avoid single mothers because of the issues you mentioned. Thus, being a single mother greatly lowers a womans desirability and such women generally cannot afford to be as picky.

I don't know about everyone else, but it's an extreme turn-off for me if a woman has any children. I don't want to be raising somebody else's children.


I have often wondered why people felt this way about 'somebody else's children'. I can understand not wanting to raise children at all, but what is this about not wanting to raise somebody' ELSE'S children? I just don't understand, is all.
Merle

Because I'd be putting time and resources into children who are not my own offspring. It's the same instinct you see in animals when they kill off the old young—obviously it doesn't come to that in humans, though.


That's the lamest argument for this kind of topic. You don't want children period. That's you personal right in a relationship.

But as for the natural instinct of animals vs humans, I have to argue that my uncle had no children. He married my aunt who did have a child from a previous marriage. He got along with my cousin right off the bat and now they've been married 7 years. The same thing has happened with my sister and my brother in law. My brother in law had a child from a previous relationship. The child is now living with both my sister, my brother and my sister's biological chilren.

I wonder why they didn't kill them off.....

People just don't want to take responsibility over someone else's child which is fine but I don't think that's a good excuse to go on hating someone who has children and wants to pursue another relationship with somebody as long as they're no longer with their partner.


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30 Nov 2008, 8:28 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
BPalmer wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
I hate it how single mothers refer to their sons as the "love of my life!"...... :x
That is SO creepy, if you think a little bit about the implications of it.

Oh, I'd give them benefit of the doubt there. But the real implication you have to worry about is that any guy who gets together with her is dispensible, and had better fall in line or else.



Exactly. For some reason this seems PARTICULARLY true if a single mom has sons. But most single men(who are childless themselves)tend to avoid single mothers because of the issues you mentioned. Thus, being a single mother greatly lowers a womans desirability and such women generally cannot afford to be as picky.

I don't know about everyone else, but it's an extreme turn-off for me if a woman has any children. I don't want to be raising somebody else's children.


I have often wondered why people felt this way about 'somebody else's children'. I can understand not wanting to raise children at all, but what is this about not wanting to raise somebody' ELSE'S children? I just don't understand, is all.
Merle

Because I'd be putting time and resources into children who are not my own offspring. It's the same instinct you see in animals when they kill off the old young—obviously it doesn't come to that in humans, though.


well, female animals are usually not breeding again until their latest have matured to take care of themselves, so they aren't around when the next rutting breeding season starts, so I don't know if you are talking about the male of the group running off the young males, and if they were young females he would use the opportunity to breed with them, so I don't see that analogy as an answer.


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30 Nov 2008, 9:19 pm

MissConstrue wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
BPalmer wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
I hate it how single mothers refer to their sons as the "love of my life!"...... :x
That is SO creepy, if you think a little bit about the implications of it.

Oh, I'd give them benefit of the doubt there. But the real implication you have to worry about is that any guy who gets together with her is dispensible, and had better fall in line or else.



Exactly. For some reason this seems PARTICULARLY true if a single mom has sons. But most single men(who are childless themselves)tend to avoid single mothers because of the issues you mentioned. Thus, being a single mother greatly lowers a womans desirability and such women generally cannot afford to be as picky.

I don't know about everyone else, but it's an extreme turn-off for me if a woman has any children. I don't want to be raising somebody else's children.


I have often wondered why people felt this way about 'somebody else's children'. I can understand not wanting to raise children at all, but what is this about not wanting to raise somebody' ELSE'S children? I just don't understand, is all.
Merle

Because I'd be putting time and resources into children who are not my own offspring. It's the same instinct you see in animals when they kill off the old young—obviously it doesn't come to that in humans, though.


That's the lamest argument for this kind of topic. You don't want children period. That's you personal right in a relationship.

I have given some thought to having children, and I might be for it with the right woman, but considering my present lack of relationships, that's a long way's off. I have a strong visceral reaction against raising someone else's kid, though. As I said, it is instinctual in men.
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But as for the natural instinct of animals vs humans, I have to argue that my uncle had no children. He married my aunt who did have a child from a previous marriage. He got along with my cousin right off the bat and now they've been married 7 years. The same thing has happened with my sister and my brother in law. My brother in law had a child from a previous relationship. The child is now living with both my sister, my brother and my sister's biological chilren.

I wonder why they didn't kill them off.....

People just don't want to take responsibility over someone else's child which is fine but I don't think that's a good excuse to go on hating someone who has children and wants to pursue another relationship with somebody as long as they're no longer with their partner.

I don't really "hate" single mothers, but it's not the kind of relationship I'd want to be involved in. Some guys are obviously fine with raising somebody else's kids. I'm not.



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30 Nov 2008, 9:33 pm

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People just don't want to take responsibility over someone else's child which is fine but I don't think that's a good excuse to go on hating someone who has children and wants to pursue another relationship with somebody as long as they're no longer with their partner.

I don't really "hate" single mothers, but it's not the kind of relationship I'd want to be involved in. Some guys are obviously fine with raising somebody else's kids. I'm not.[/quote]

But, but, but. . if it is INSTINCTUAL in men to reject all but their own offspring how can it be fine (obviously or not) for other men to raise a child of the family of human kind? Have they braved their own instinctual distaste and actually changed their minds, or have they been stripped of their god given instincts by cultural conditioning?

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30 Nov 2008, 10:26 pm

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But, but, but. . if it is INSTINCTUAL in men to reject all but their own offspring how can it be fine (obviously or not) for other men to raise a child of the family of human kind? Have they braved their own instinctual distaste and actually changed their minds, or have they been stripped of their god given instincts by cultural conditioning?


If I'm only being used by a single mother to financially provide for any children she might have, without any opportunity to have children of my own, you can guarantee that I would break it off real fast. I don't like to be used...



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30 Nov 2008, 11:44 pm

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But, but, but. . if it is INSTINCTUAL in men to reject all but their own offspring how can it be fine (obviously or not) for other men to raise a child of the family of human kind? Have they braved their own instinctual distaste and actually changed their minds, or have they been stripped of their god given instincts by cultural conditioning?


If I'm only being used by a single mother to financially provide for any children she might have, without any opportunity to have children of my own, you can guarantee that I would break it off real fast. I don't like to be used...


well, no one likes to be used, Toad. That is perfectly understandable behaviour in such a situation you stated, but why make up all that junk about animal behaviour and human instinct to just say you don't like being used?

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well, no one likes to be used, Toad. That is perfectly understandable behaviour in such a situation you stated, but why make up all that junk about animal behaviour and human instinct to just say you don't like being used?


I didn't say any of that stuff about animalistic behavior, that was someone else... I merely stated that I wouldn't want to raise someone else's kids and be completely precluded from having kids of my own...

I would also be a bit more open-minded if the child was the product of something like a teenage pregnancy or rape, or if a woman in a previously loving relationship left her man because of domestic abuse or what not, but if a woman decided to have children on her own and then broke up with the father for no apparent reason then my sympathy goes WAAAAAY down, especially if she's just trying to use me for my financial support... If she made a conscious adult decision, she has to live with the consequences of that...



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ToadOfSteel wrote:
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But, but, but. . if it is INSTINCTUAL in men to reject all but their own offspring how can it be fine (obviously or not) for other men to raise a child of the family of human kind? Have they braved their own instinctual distaste and actually changed their minds, or have they been stripped of their god given instincts by cultural conditioning?


If I'm only being used by a single mother to financially provide for any children she might have, without any opportunity to have children of my own, you can guarantee that I would break it off real fast. I don't like to be used...


Maybe because you were answering to this post which is not exactly on topic with what Sinsboldy posted @ NeantHumain which was questioning NeantHumain's theory about animal man instinct.


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