Are Attractive Women More Likely to Be "Crazy"?

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22 Feb 2009, 9:11 am

lol, this thread wins three plates of spaghetti and a loaf of bread.

Define "crazy" for me, would someone?



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22 Feb 2009, 1:37 pm

Legato wrote:
lol, this thread wins three plates of spaghetti and a loaf of bread.

Great, because I haven't had enough spaghetti already this past week.
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Define "crazy" for me, would someone?

I'll define it by experiences I've had with physically attractive women.
  • She decides to change her phone number as an act of revenge against you. Never mind that to most people, the hassle of changing their number is far worse than the "revenge" aspect. She then posts a MySpace blog stating all this.
  • She starts an instant-messenger conversation with you, posing as her "twin sister" but still using her usual screen name. This is about 10 minutes after having talked to her in person. Even after you say you know it's obviously her, she continues with her charade, which tantalizingly seems to include the possibility of sex (admittedly under messed-up circumstances), so you go along with it solely for that reason. She mixes in invasive, explicit questions.
  • Another woman now: On your first date with her (and, yes, she is quite attractive too), she spends about half the lunch talking about how crazy her ex-boyfriend, whom she nevertheless considered marrying, is. She reveals her former (as in two months prior) life as a pot smoker. During the date, she drops hints about liking the title of a painting with "subduction" in the title.
  • I've met other attractive women who have some neurotic drive towards perfection, including in looks, likability, grades, achievements, etc.



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22 Feb 2009, 1:50 pm

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Are especially physically attractive women more likely to have serious psychological issues and even be downright crazy? I have read that histrionic personality disorder in females is positively correlated with the perception of physical attractiveness by men, but this is the only thing I've actually read on this that was based on research. Of course, it is common in movies and popular songs for attractive women to be crazy, but is this just a stereotype?

I have met a few women who were quite physically attractive but also a little different and in one case made me seriously wonder if she was insane. Assuming attractive women are more likely to be crazy, why would this be?
  • Do they think they can get away with more outlandish behavior because of their beauty? (I.e., they're not really "crazier" on average, but they just don't bother to hide attitudes and impulses that most people have but would feel uncomfortable admitting to.)
  • Is it a cultural expectation that they're conforming to?
  • Do psychological issues that cause the crazy behavior also cause them to put more effort into looking attractive?
Indeed, are physically attractive women more likely to be crazy than their more homely counterparts?


Awesome.


...


Am I the only one here who thinks this is awesome??

Damn.


Not alone!

I'm here, and NeantHumain is right! :lol:
I'm considerd attractive and I get away with a lot of weird aspie stuff.
But I'm not crazy in the way NeantHumain defined it, so...



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22 Feb 2009, 2:02 pm

No, they just get away with more becuase they're pretty. All women have some crazy to them, it's just that the amount of BS a man will put up with from a particular woman is equally proportional to her hotness. More hotness, the more patient he'll be with her.... :)



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22 Feb 2009, 2:29 pm

I really don't mean to cause any offense but it could be the case that most of the attractive women that are attracted to YOU are crazy :?: Just saying.


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26 Feb 2009, 10:16 pm

LOL some of the posts really make me giggle... Maybe everyone's a little crazy.



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27 Feb 2009, 2:11 pm

To answer the OP's question, I say yes -

From an evolutionary perspective, it would make sense that more attractive people in general would have a higher likelihood of being less intelligent or less stable. After all, their good looks would have in past generations made it more likely that they would have passed on their genes by reproducing earlier compared to the norm (before birth control, but maybe their stupidity or craziness trumps even using that). Since their passing on their genes early makes long-term survival somewhat irrelevant, you can conclude that a lot of pretty people don't need to be "built" for the long haul -- if they've had kids, they've completed their biological "mission."

I would also say that even for pretty/good looking people who are intelligent (after all, ugly parents can have pretty kids, and vice versa), they may well have had less challenges in life due to their looks opening doors for them (as many studies have show good looks tend to do, a la the "Halo effect,"), so when they hit real adversity, they may be less able to handle it than their more mediocre counterparts.

This isn't to say that there aren't good looking people who are smart and stable, just that in terms of natural selection pressures, these things are not as important as they are for everyone else for them to pass on genes, as they usually are the first ones chosen by those who want to reproduce (because beautiful features are often signs of good physical genes and healthy genes).



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27 Feb 2009, 5:18 pm

sunshower wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
Are especially physically attractive women more likely to have serious psychological issues and even be downright crazy? I have read that histrionic personality disorder in females is positively correlated with the perception of physical attractiveness by men, but this is the only thing I've actually read on this that was based on research. Of course, it is common in movies and popular songs for attractive women to be crazy, but is this just a stereotype?

I have met a few women who were quite physically attractive but also a little different and in one case made me seriously wonder if she was insane. Assuming attractive women are more likely to be crazy, why would this be?
  • Do they think they can get away with more outlandish behavior because of their beauty? (I.e., they're not really "crazier" on average, but they just don't bother to hide attitudes and impulses that most people have but would feel uncomfortable admitting to.)
  • Is it a cultural expectation that they're conforming to?
  • Do psychological issues that cause the crazy behavior also cause them to put more effort into looking attractive?
Indeed, are physically attractive women more likely to be crazy than their more homely counterparts?


Awesome.


...


Am I the only one here who thinks this is awesome??

Damn.


No, I think its Awesome-ly PATHETIC! I make an effort to be a bit nasty to attractive women until they prove that they're not narcissistic hoes. This is to send a message to them they they should Not expect me to put them on a pedestal just because they look good....



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27 Feb 2009, 5:20 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Legato wrote:
lol, this thread wins three plates of spaghetti and a loaf of bread.

Great, because I haven't had enough spaghetti already this past week.
Legato wrote:
Define "crazy" for me, would someone?

I'll define it by experiences I've had with physically attractive women.
  • She decides to change her phone number as an act of revenge against you. Never mind that to most people, the hassle of changing their number is far worse than the "revenge" aspect. She then posts a MySpace blog stating all this.
  • She starts an instant-messenger conversation with you, posing as her "twin sister" but still using her usual screen name. This is about 10 minutes after having talked to her in person. Even after you say you know it's obviously her, she continues with her charade, which tantalizingly seems to include the possibility of sex (admittedly under messed-up circumstances), so you go along with it solely for that reason. She mixes in invasive, explicit questions.
  • Another woman now: On your first date with her (and, yes, she is quite attractive too), she spends about half the lunch talking about how crazy her ex-boyfriend, whom she nevertheless considered marrying, is. She reveals her former (as in two months prior) life as a pot smoker. During the date, she drops hints about liking the title of a painting with "subduction" in the title.
  • I've met other attractive women who have some neurotic drive towards perfection, including in looks, likability, grades, achievements, etc.



Sound to me like the woman you're describing is a narcissistic little DRAMA QUEEN; ugh :? .
Was she bipolar by any chance?



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27 Feb 2009, 5:41 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Are especially physically attractive women more likely to have serious psychological issues and even be downright crazy? I have read that histrionic personality disorder in females is positively correlated with the perception of physical attractiveness by men, but this is the only thing I've actually read on this that was based on research. Of course, it is common in movies and popular songs for attractive women to be crazy, but is this just a stereotype?

I have met a few women who were quite physically attractive but also a little different and in one case made me seriously wonder if she was insane. Assuming attractive women are more likely to be crazy, why would this be?
  • Do they think they can get away with more outlandish behavior because of their beauty? (I.e., they're not really "crazier" on average, but they just don't bother to hide attitudes and impulses that most people have but would feel uncomfortable admitting to.)
  • Is it a cultural expectation that they're conforming to?
  • Do psychological issues that cause the crazy behavior also cause them to put more effort into looking attractive?
Indeed, are physically attractive women more likely to be crazy than their more homely counterparts?


First, I do not believe that looks have anything to do with one's presumed sanity; I've seen people of many appearances at all levels of functionings. Someone whose outward appearance is more attractive to a large number of people, however, may well experience a greater level of tolerance from others; this in turn would provide them with a large range of "acceptable" behaviors to their way of thinking/past experience. By being given greater leeway, regardless the reason, the scope of action becomes much larger, and more erratic/eccentric. When you can get away with things, there is little reason incurred to do anything but.


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27 Feb 2009, 5:50 pm

billsmithglendale wrote:
To answer the OP's question, I say yes -

From an evolutionary perspective, it would make sense that more attractive people in general would have a higher likelihood of being less intelligent or less stable. After all, their good looks would have in past generations made it more likely that they would have passed on their genes by reproducing earlier compared to the norm (before birth control, but maybe their stupidity or craziness trumps even using that).

Sorry, play again. In fact, it's been speculated that there ought to be a correlation between genotypic intelligence and physical attractiveness. Why? Because intelligence (or you may substitute another personality trait here if you so care) contributes to social status, especially in a primitive society (see: selection for BIG BRAINS in Homos). If we assume that we aren't dealing with a winner takes all polygamous system, then lets say a higher ranking male (the ones who stand to gain the most from status based on primate mating) will have a pick of "better" females. Because the primary attribute which selection acts on in females would be looks, we would therefore conclude higher ranking males would tend to go for pretty girls (see: the rich and famous). Now, beauty is heritable. Hence, we conclude that the beauty genez and the brains genes will tend to correlate with one another.

*twoshots, protecting the integrity of the journalism profession, refuses to divulge his sources.


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27 Feb 2009, 8:48 pm

I don't see how attractive women are more likely to be "crazy", unless they've been hurt/abused/whatever in the past by nasty exes, which sadly happens for a lot of women, not just the attractive ones


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27 Feb 2009, 8:55 pm

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Are especially physically attractive women more likely to have serious psychological issues and even be downright crazy? I have read that histrionic personality disorder in females is positively correlated with the perception of physical attractiveness by men,

Yes, and yes. Without a doubt.



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27 Feb 2009, 9:26 pm

In my experience, I've yet to meet a highly attractive woman with a good personality. I've met several fairly attractive ones with great personalities, but no more. All highly attractive women I've ever met fall into one or more of the following categories:

-the spoiled type, used to always getting her way because of her looks (started out as daddy's little princess probably)
-the drama queen
-the super-frivolous type - she's not necessarily stupid, just frivolous and materialistic
-the one with a chip on her shoulder, which she got from everyone assuming she's the first type (often bossy and intelligent)

In all fairness, often it's society's fault as well (type one is hugely the parents' fault). In my experience, on average it's average-looking girls that have the best personalities - ugly girls sometimes have great personalities, but many also have a chip on their shoulder.

Haliphron wrote:
I make an effort to be a bit nasty to attractive women until they prove that they're not narcissistic hoes. This is to send a message to them they they should Not expect me to put them on a pedestal just because they look good....


I've taken to doing the same. When asked to change a nitrogen cylinder, I told her how to do it and *gasp, shock, horror* left her to fend for herself, including moving the heavy cylinder on her own (she'd used it up, not me, it wasn't my turn to change it and it was her that needed it). Obviously not the response she was expecting.


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27 Feb 2009, 9:52 pm

Haliphron wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
Legato wrote:
lol, this thread wins three plates of spaghetti and a loaf of bread.

Great, because I haven't had enough spaghetti already this past week.
Legato wrote:
Define "crazy" for me, would someone?

I'll define it by experiences I've had with physically attractive women.
  • She decides to change her phone number as an act of revenge against you. Never mind that to most people, the hassle of changing their number is far worse than the "revenge" aspect. She then posts a MySpace blog stating all this.
  • She starts an instant-messenger conversation with you, posing as her "twin sister" but still using her usual screen name. This is about 10 minutes after having talked to her in person. Even after you say you know it's obviously her, she continues with her charade, which tantalizingly seems to include the possibility of sex (admittedly under messed-up circumstances), so you go along with it solely for that reason. She mixes in invasive, explicit questions.
  • Another woman now: On your first date with her (and, yes, she is quite attractive too), she spends about half the lunch talking about how crazy her ex-boyfriend, whom she nevertheless considered marrying, is. She reveals her former (as in two months prior) life as a pot smoker. During the date, she drops hints about liking the title of a painting with "subduction" in the title.
  • I've met other attractive women who have some neurotic drive towards perfection, including in looks, likability, grades, achievements, etc.



Sound to me like the woman you're describing is a narcissistic little DRAMA QUEEN; ugh :? .
Was she bipolar by any chance?


inferring that people are a**holes because of a psychiatric diagnosis like bipolar disorder is incredibly offensive. if someone is a drama queen, they are that way because of their personality. are you a selfish a**hole because you have asperger's, or because you just happen to be a selfish a**hole? think before you speak.



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27 Feb 2009, 10:04 pm

I've learned that all women are pyscho... Some just more than others