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13 Mar 2009, 5:42 pm

I totally feel your pain. I've felt like this with many women for at least a few years now.


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13 Mar 2009, 8:15 pm

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These are normal feelings for your age. I've posted a lot about this (you can do a search if you really care to read what I've said), but the short version is that life sucks for most guys in their teens going into early 20s. After that, life evens out. Right now, a small group of guys, mostly the ones that are physically mature early in life, get a lot (but not all) of the girls. Later on, you'll be mature too, and they'll be old-looking and bald. Meanwhile, as they age, women lose their advantage and demand, especially the closer they get to 30. By the time you are 30, assuming you have a good job and take care of yourself and dress decently, the ones who are rejecting you now will be practically begging to marry you.


Why do you keep passing that stuff off as a given (or at least a near-given) anyway? Where I come from, that's called false advertising...



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15 Mar 2009, 1:16 am

Because for 98% of the population, it's true, or none of us would be here. And I've seen it so much. I know a lot of Aspies in worse shape than anyone here who have been through multiple marriages now, relationships, etc. I really think the people here who aren't able to connect are either doing something seriously wrong, or really do have an extreme issue, but that doesn't sound like this guy's problem. If he's like 98% of people out there, he's just fixating on a couple of girls in a time in his life when guys in general don't have a lot of bargaining power. It's a fact, not a theory, that women get very desperate around 30 and change their minds about a whole lot of things in the 10 years before that. I can't ignore what I've seen year after year in my life (and the lives of others I know) and not say it here. It's sad to think so many guys get so bitter and give up, when the game is just beginning for them. It's women who have the ticking clock, not us guys.



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15 Mar 2009, 5:33 am

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Because for 98% of the population, it's true, or none of us would be here. And I've seen it so much. I know a lot of Aspies in worse shape than anyone here who have been through multiple marriages now, relationships, etc. I really think the people here who aren't able to connect are either doing something seriously wrong, or really do have an extreme issue, but that doesn't sound like this guy's problem. If he's like 98% of people out there, he's just fixating on a couple of girls in a time in his life when guys in general don't have a lot of bargaining power. It's a fact, not a theory, that women get very desperate around 30 and change their minds about a whole lot of things in the 10 years before that. I can't ignore what I've seen year after year in my life (and the lives of others I know) and not say it here. It's sad to think so many guys get so bitter and give up, when the game is just beginning for them. It's women who have the ticking clock, not us guys.
So the grass must be just that much greener on the other side. The thing is, we don't have much evidence of that until it happens(at least I don't), which is probably why we worry so much. Please correct me if I'm wrong

Plus, from a shallow point of view i'll admit, it would suck not being able to have a girl while they are still in their prime which I define as mid-late teens to when they're like 30. It's when they're typically at their most beautiful and it would really suck, in my mind, to miss out on it while everyone else took it for granted. Then again, women are finding ways to keep themselves looking younger longer. My mom is my high school's nurse and she turns 49 in June and all of the guys keep telling me she's hot and other people say she looks like she's still in her 30s. But still, you did say ~30 is when it happens so 25 wouldn't be so bad if possible.



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15 Mar 2009, 9:12 am

You know... all young people have the same issues. Girls have self esteem problems too. Everyone young seems to fixate on someone they can't have. Only a few actually obtain them. It's normal. It's later when one matures and grows older you realize that the value of a person goes far beyond their looks and then they are willing to see the person inside.

Remember... a pretty face does not make a good person who is kind and loving and understanding. If you happen to find those qualities inside a pretty face, then you lucked out. Base your relationships on how the person treats YOU.


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15 Mar 2009, 9:59 am

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Because for 98% of the population, it's true, or none of us would be here. And I've seen it so much. I know a lot of Aspies in worse shape than anyone here who have been through multiple marriages now, relationships, etc. I really think the people here who aren't able to connect are either doing something seriously wrong, or really do have an extreme issue, but that doesn't sound like this guy's problem. If he's like 98% of people out there, he's just fixating on a couple of girls in a time in his life when guys in general don't have a lot of bargaining power. It's a fact, not a theory, that women get very desperate around 30 and change their minds about a whole lot of things in the 10 years before that. I can't ignore what I've seen year after year in my life (and the lives of others I know) and not say it here. It's sad to think so many guys get so bitter and give up, when the game is just beginning for them. It's women who have the ticking clock, not us guys.

So the grass must be just that much greener on the other side. The thing is, we don't have much evidence of that until it happens(at least I don't), which is probably why we worry so much. Please correct me if I'm wrong

Plus, from a shallow point of view i'll admit, it would suck not being able to have a girl while they are still in their prime which I define as mid-late teens to when they're like 30. It's when they're typically at their most beautiful and it would really suck, in my mind, to miss out on it while everyone else took it for granted. Then again, women are finding ways to keep themselves looking younger longer. My mom is my high school's nurse and she turns 49 in June and all of the guys keep telling me she's hot and other people say she looks like she's still in her 30s. But still, you did say ~30 is when it happens so 25 wouldn't be so bad if possible.



What I'm saying is that you're a young man yet -- only 16 -- and that you're only seeing the beginning of things right now. Those two girls in particular may seem desirable right now, but even 2 years from now, their value may totally change. They could get fat (a lot of chicks get fat by the time they're 18 here in the US, especially white chicks), get Chlamydia and lose their fertility (in which case you will have been lucky to have not had anything to do with them, and it's a lot more common than you think), or some other such variation. They honestly sound a bit slu*ty, so I wouldn't be surprised if they get preggo or an STD (or both) in the next 2 years. Not really great girls.

The kind of guy who is scoring well now with them probably looks old for his age (am I right?), and if that's the case, he will be balding and old looking by the time you look like a man. At that point, you will be a lot better looking in most girl's eyes.

Finally, like I said, this is just beginning, and you are getting obsessed on two in particular. Normal for a teenage guy with limited contacts, even more normal for an Aspie, but not healthy either way. You shouldn't be mad at anyone for having normal romatic or sexual relations. You should instead be focusing your mental energy and positive efforts on the other billion "fish" in the sea who aren't these two skanks, which is probably what they are, if they let guys manhandle them all the time at that age in public. Lots of variety out there, lots of opportunities for a young guy like you, and life only gets better from here.

What I can guarantee is that if you persist in the hater "no one else can be happy" attitude, you will end up an angry, bitter man (like some others here) who gives off a vibe that women will jump out of windows to avoid. Get a self-improvement book (like Anthony Robbins), clear your head of negative thinking, find new hobbies, whatever, but don't waste your time or life getting angry about people who aren't into you and probably weren't valid prospects anyways. There are a lot of other opportunities out there, and you'll lose them if you waste time festering and tilting at windmills like Don Quixote.



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15 Mar 2009, 12:54 pm

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What I'm saying is that you're a young man yet -- only 16 -- and that you're only seeing the beginning of things right now. Those two girls in particular may seem desirable right now, but even 2 years from now, their value may totally change. They could get fat (a lot of chicks get fat by the time they're 18 here in the US, especially white chicks), get Chlamydia and lose their fertility (in which case you will have been lucky to have not had anything to do with them, and it's a lot more common than you think), or some other such variation. They honestly sound a bit slu*ty, so I wouldn't be surprised if they get preggo or an STD (or both) in the next 2 years. Not really great girls.

Good thing I'm only into black chicks then. :D

No, but I can see what you're saying about what can happen in the next two years as unlikely as it seems.

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The kind of guy who is scoring well now with them probably looks old for his age (am I right?), and if that's the case, he will be balding and old looking by the time you look like a man. At that point, you will be a lot better looking in most girl's eyes.
Ahah, actually I look much older for my age than most people. Girls often point out that I look like I have a wife and kids already, that I look like a father, or even the classic "grown-ass man". One girl even said that I look like I would be a good father, hehe

The girl I've known for a year dates a guy that is an average-aged looking mixed guy, and she's dated white guys before so I know there's possibilites. The other one seems to strongly prefer older looking dark-skinned black dudes.

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Finally, like I said, this is just beginning, and you are getting obsessed on two in particular. Normal for a teenage guy with limited contacts, even more normal for an Aspie, but not healthy either way. You shouldn't be mad at anyone for having normal romatic or sexual relations. You should instead be focusing your mental energy and positive efforts on the other billion "fish" in the sea who aren't these two skanks, which is probably what they are, if they let guys manhandle them all the time at that age in public. Lots of variety out there, lots of opportunities for a young guy like you, and life only gets better from here.

I've given up on the 2nd one for that reason, she really is too shallow/skanky it would seem, but like you said, at this age, the good-looking girls have all the bargaining power for now. I suppose it's still a possibility for the first one though.


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What I can guarantee is that if you persist in the hater "no one else can be happy" attitude, you will end up an angry, bitter man (like some others here) who gives off a vibe that women will jump out of windows to avoid. Get a self-improvement book (like Anthony Robbins), clear your head of negative thinking, find new hobbies, whatever, but don't waste your time or life getting angry about people who aren't into you and probably weren't valid prospects anyways. There are a lot of other opportunities out there, and you'll lose them if you waste time festering and tilting at windmills like Don Quixote.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by the "no one else can be happy attitude" but I actually see it this way:

From looking at everyone else I figure they're all currently happy(or at least appear so), maybe someday I will be too.

And it's not so much anger as it is sadness, I was just really stressed out when I made this thread. I get really depressed when it feels like I have no prospects so I have to have at least one to be able to really function. Probably still sounds unhealthy but I don't see a way around that.



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15 Mar 2009, 6:44 pm

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From looking at everyone else I figure they're all currently happy(or at least appear so), maybe someday I will be too.

And it's not so much anger as it is sadness, I was just really stressed out when I made this thread. I get really depressed when it feels like I have no prospects so I have to have at least one to be able to really function. Probably still sounds unhealthy but I don't see a way around that.


Sounds like you were having a mini meltdown.

Trust me, no one is as happy as they look -- we all have problems, just different kinds. I'll readily admit that love life sucks for most young guys. All I can say is ride it out, get happy with other parts of your life, and your time will come. Just be ready for it when it does, so that you won't p**** out and so that you can handle having a love life when it jumps in your lap. I notice a lot of guys here on this forum (not you, but I thought I should mention it) tend to get cold feet when the moment finally arrives to date someone who is interested. Happens to the best of us, but that kind of stuff is how we sabotage ourself. It's like we don't think we're worthwhile, when really, we're great.

P.S. -- Black chicks get fat even heavier ;) And if you're set on them, know that you're fighting a bit of an uphill battle -- most people tend to stick to their ethnicity, unless they are raised/go to school in an area predominantly of another ethnicity. There are black chicks that like white guys, but most black women don't seem that into us. So that limits your options -- only about 10-30% of any group will out-date. Personally, I, a white guy, always preferred Asian chicks, but I found myself always being courted by black and hispanic. After dating all Asian, I ended up marrying the perfect hispanic woman, so don't let your ethnic tastes rule your dating tastes, because you might pass up the perfect woman in a flavor other than that you most like.



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15 Mar 2009, 7:23 pm

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From looking at everyone else I figure they're all currently happy(or at least appear so), maybe someday I will be too.

And it's not so much anger as it is sadness, I was just really stressed out when I made this thread. I get really depressed when it feels like I have no prospects so I have to have at least one to be able to really function. Probably still sounds unhealthy but I don't see a way around that.


Sounds like you were having a mini meltdown.

Trust me, no one is as happy as they look -- we all have problems, just different kinds. I'll readily admit that love life sucks for most young guys. All I can say is ride it out, get happy with other parts of your life, and your time will come. Just be ready for it when it does, so that you won't p**** out and so that you can handle having a love life when it jumps in your lap. I notice a lot of guys here on this forum (not you, but I thought I should mention it) tend to get cold feet when the moment finally arrives to date someone who is interested. Happens to the best of us, but that kind of stuff is how we sabotage ourself. It's like we don't think we're worthwhile, when really, we're great.

P.S. -- Black chicks get fat even heavier ;) And if you're set on them, know that you're fighting a bit of an uphill battle -- most people tend to stick to their ethnicity, unless they are raised/go to school in an area predominantly of another ethnicity. There are black chicks that like white guys, but most black women don't seem that into us. So that limits your options -- only about 10-30% of any group will out-date. Personally, I, a white guy, always preferred Asian chicks, but I found myself always being courted by black and hispanic. After dating all Asian, I ended up marrying the perfect hispanic woman, so don't let your ethnic tastes rule your dating tastes, because you might pass up the perfect woman in a flavor other than that you most like.


I know what I'm up against when it comes to racial disinterest in me but I'm fighting a hell of an uphill battle already just to get a GF and when you live in the DMV area, there's no shortage of black girls. I honestly can't see myself with anything other than a black girl though. I try to think of myself with a white girl, and it's just not the same. Don't get me wrong, I still find them attractive but I really just love black women sooooo much.

I did look through this thread too:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/sex/T2LVQAVE28N3J303I

Looks like I should stick to Caribbean women, lol. I don't mean to talk so much about this but it's really important to me. Plus it's boredom rant time. :D



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16 Mar 2009, 9:46 am

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it would suck not being able to have a girl while they are still in their prime which I define as mid-late teens to when they're like 30. It's when they're typically at their most beautiful and it would really suck, in my mind, to miss out on it while everyone else took it for granted

I agree with you 110%. I'm now in a relationship, at age 35, with someone roughly ten years older - and it cannot be nearly as enjoyable. It's not the fault of my current fiancée, but the fact that I have been cheated by being denied young love has already taken its toll, and cannot be compensated for. Anyone who says "age if just a number" is kidding themselves.



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I know what I'm up against when it comes to racial disinterest in me but I'm fighting a hell of an uphill battle already just to get a GF and when you live in the DMV area, there's no shortage of black girls. I honestly can't see myself with anything other than a black girl though. I try to think of myself with a white girl, and it's just not the same. Don't get me wrong, I still find them attractive but I really just love black women sooooo much.

I did look through this thread too:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/sex/T2LVQAVE28N3J303I

Looks like I should stick to Caribbean women, lol. I don't mean to talk so much about this but it's really important to me. Plus it's boredom rant time. :D


My wife is actually Caribbean -- she's mixed latina, black, and European ancestry, so best of all worlds.

For sure, try to get what you want -- you just might find you'll get it out of your system, but maybe not, and maybe it's just what you need. I'm sure you'll be able to find a black woman, I've met quite a few who like white guys.



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16 Mar 2009, 2:22 pm

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I know what I'm up against when it comes to racial disinterest in me but I'm fighting a hell of an uphill battle already just to get a GF and when you live in the DMV area, there's no shortage of black girls. I honestly can't see myself with anything other than a black girl though. I try to think of myself with a white girl, and it's just not the same. Don't get me wrong, I still find them attractive but I really just love black women sooooo much.

I did look through this thread too:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/sex/T2LVQAVE28N3J303I

Looks like I should stick to Caribbean women, lol. I don't mean to talk so much about this but it's really important to me. Plus it's boredom rant time. :D


My wife is actually Caribbean -- she's mixed latina, black, and European ancestry, so best of all worlds.

For sure, try to get what you want -- you just might find you'll get it out of your system, but maybe not, and maybe it's just what you need. I'm sure you'll be able to find a black woman, I've met quite a few who like white guys.


There's quite a few that like white guys at my school. It's just AS that messes it up.

And I saw the girl again today with her BF in the stairwell when everyone was switching classes. It didn't bother me as much as seeing her sit on his lap but it still kinda did. Her ex, who is white and is one of my best friends at school was saying how her brother surprised her right after she got out of the shower one time and she dropped her towl and he could see everything. OH MAN I got so bothered right there out of jealousy.

I think I tend to feel like crap when the school day is over so that could also be it right now.

On the bright side though, her ex also said that maybe me, him, his GF and his friend (a girl) could go to the movie theatre some time. And I'm seriously considering it. Hell, maybe I could even get the girl I like to go somehow.


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it would suck not being able to have a girl while they are still in their prime which I define as mid-late teens to when they're like 30. It's when they're typically at their most beautiful and it would really suck, in my mind, to miss out on it while everyone else took it for granted

I agree with you 110%. I'm now in a relationship, at age 35, with someone roughly ten years older - and it cannot be nearly as enjoyable. It's not the fault of my current fiancée, but the fact that I have been cheated by being denied young love has already taken its toll, and cannot be compensated for. Anyone who says "age if just a number" is kidding themselves.

I have to say, it's a little disappointing to know I was right about that.



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it would suck not being able to have a girl while they are still in their prime which I define as mid-late teens to when they're like 30. It's when they're typically at their most beautiful and it would really suck, in my mind, to miss out on it while everyone else took it for granted

I agree with you 110%. I'm now in a relationship, at age 35, with someone roughly ten years older - and it cannot be nearly as enjoyable. It's not the fault of my current fiancée, but the fact that I have been cheated by being denied young love has already taken its toll, and cannot be compensated for. Anyone who says "age if just a number" is kidding themselves.


If anything, your statement should light a fire under the ass of some of the guys here who are too afraid of rejection to take action. Like I said in another thread, sometimes not having tried or made the change is worse than never having been rejected and being alone.



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it would suck not being able to have a girl while they are still in their prime which I define as mid-late teens to when they're like 30. It's when they're typically at their most beautiful and it would really suck, in my mind, to miss out on it while everyone else took it for granted

I agree with you 110%. I'm now in a relationship, at age 35, with someone roughly ten years older - and it cannot be nearly as enjoyable. It's not the fault of my current fiancée, but the fact that I have been cheated by being denied young love has already taken its toll, and cannot be compensated for. Anyone who says "age if just a number" is kidding themselves.


If anything, your statement should light a fire under the ass of some of the guys here who are too afraid of rejection to take action. Like I said in another thread, sometimes not having tried or made the change is worse than never having been rejected and being alone.
Oh yeah, I've asked out the girl I like to the movies before..............every day for a whole month in like January 08. XD

I didn't know any better but at least I was asking her to go to the movies with me. I'm not sure why I can't get myself to do it again, I think I want to make sure she's interested in me before I do it again.



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it would suck not being able to have a girl while they are still in their prime which I define as mid-late teens to when they're like 30. It's when they're typically at their most beautiful and it would really suck, in my mind, to miss out on it while everyone else took it for granted

I agree with you 110%. I'm now in a relationship, at age 35, with someone roughly ten years older - and it cannot be nearly as enjoyable. It's not the fault of my current fiancée, but the fact that I have been cheated by being denied young love has already taken its toll, and cannot be compensated for. Anyone who says "age if just a number" is kidding themselves.


If anything, your statement should light a fire under the ass of some of the guys here who are too afraid of rejection to take action. Like I said in another thread, sometimes not having tried or made the change is worse than never having been rejected and being alone.
Oh yeah, I've asked out the girl I like to the movies before..............every day for a whole month in like January 08. XD

I didn't know any better but at least I was asking her to go to the movies with me. I'm not sure why I can't get myself to do it again, I think I want to make sure she's interested in me before I do it again.


Lol, well, if you tried for a month and she didn't go for it, I think it's safe to write her off. Time to move on to the next one.

I'm curious -- what area do you live in again? What state, ect?



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it would suck not being able to have a girl while they are still in their prime which I define as mid-late teens to when they're like 30. It's when they're typically at their most beautiful and it would really suck, in my mind, to miss out on it while everyone else took it for granted

I agree with you 110%. I'm now in a relationship, at age 35, with someone roughly ten years older - and it cannot be nearly as enjoyable. It's not the fault of my current fiancée, but the fact that I have been cheated by being denied young love has already taken its toll, and cannot be compensated for. Anyone who says "age if just a number" is kidding themselves.


If anything, your statement should light a fire under the ass of some of the guys here who are too afraid of rejection to take action. Like I said in another thread, sometimes not having tried or made the change is worse than never having been rejected and being alone.
Oh yeah, I've asked out the girl I like to the movies before..............every day for a whole month in like January 08. XD

I didn't know any better but at least I was asking her to go to the movies with me. I'm not sure why I can't get myself to do it again, I think I want to make sure she's interested in me before I do it again.


Lol, well, if you tried for a month and she didn't go for it, I think it's safe to write her off. Time to move on to the next one.

I'm curious -- what area do you live in again? What state, ect?

Well, it's been over year since then so I like to think that things can change somehow. I live in P.G. County in Maryland, which is right next to D.C.