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13 Apr 2009, 4:42 pm

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It wasn't scientifically conducted, so I can't consider what Gilmartin did to be "science"...


I don't know much about his methods, but his statistics, even if they were on a relatively small sample size, about men with female siblings seems to be significant. It could be that lack of exposure to same or similar age female relatives leaves a gulf in the ability of Aspie men to cope with girls/women in the real world. As such, it seems to create an issue that doesn't fall exclusively or consistently under the Aspie label.


I have a sister but she's also a love-shy , what does that mean? lol


It means you both probably don't talk to eachother ;)

Shyness isn't a bad thing for women though -- studies have found that shy women are actually more likely to get married than non-shy ones -- It kind of plays into gender expectations.



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13 Apr 2009, 4:48 pm

billsmithglendale wrote:
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It wasn't scientifically conducted, so I can't consider what Gilmartin did to be "science"...


I don't know much about his methods, but his statistics, even if they were on a relatively small sample size, about men with female siblings seems to be significant. It could be that lack of exposure to same or similar age female relatives leaves a gulf in the ability of Aspie men to cope with girls/women in the real world. As such, it seems to create an issue that doesn't fall exclusively or consistently under the Aspie label.


The reason I posted that link to "Avoidant Personality Disorder" is because it is basically the same as love-shyness, except it doesn't have a bunch of biased crap in it, is gender-neutral, and involves more than just love (i.e. workplace, personal life, etc.), without making those seem derivative from love...



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13 Apr 2009, 5:02 pm

billsmithglendale wrote:
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It wasn't scientifically conducted, so I can't consider what Gilmartin did to be "science"...


I don't know much about his methods, but his statistics, even if they were on a relatively small sample size, about men with female siblings seems to be significant. It could be that lack of exposure to same or similar age female relatives leaves a gulf in the ability of Aspie men to cope with girls/women in the real world. As such, it seems to create an issue that doesn't fall exclusively or consistently under the Aspie label.


I have a sister but she's also a love-shy , what does that mean? lol


It means you both probably don't talk to eachother ;)



uh, that's not true.

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Shyness isn't a bad thing for women though -- studies have found that shy women are actually more likely to get married than non-shy ones -- It kind of plays into gender expectations.


True i know so many very shy girls who are taken , but my sister never even had any kind of relationship, while I am sure she's not homosexual but I suspect that she might be kinda asexual ....even she suspects that, she's 33.



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13 Apr 2009, 5:43 pm

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True i know so many very shy girls who are taken , but my sister never even had any kind of relationship, while I am sure she's not homosexual but I suspect that she might be kinda asexual ....even she suspects that, she's 33.


Strangely enough, I have a sister like that as well, who is either super-picky or just doesn't know how to send the signals. She's very pretty too, but she's 30 with no serious BF in years.



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14 Apr 2009, 5:37 am

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True i know so many very shy girls who are taken , but my sister never even had any kind of relationship, while I am sure she's not homosexual but I suspect that she might be kinda asexual ....even she suspects that, she's 33.


Strangely enough, I have a sister like that as well, who is either super-picky or just doesn't know how to send the signals. She's very pretty too, but she's 30 with no serious BF in years.


She's has far better social skills than me tho ....too much better to the extent that she can't be an aspie, but she's kinda loner and always had very few friends.

She never even complained for not having a bf and she doesn't seem want or need one either.

Should we invent a new syndrome for that case? :P Maybe aspie's sister syndrome? :P



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14 Apr 2009, 6:29 am

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-He is a virgin. He has not experienced sexual intercourse.
-He is a person who rarely goes out socially with women more than just friends.
-He is a person without a history of any emotionally close, meaningful relationships of a romantic and/or sexual nature with any member of the opposite sex.
-He is a person who has suffered and is continuing to suffer emotionally because of a lack of meaningful female companionship. In short, he is a person who desperately wishes to have a relationship with a woman, but does not have one because of shyness.
-He is a man who becomes extremely anxiety-ridden over so much as the mere thought of asserting himself vis-a-vis a woman in a casual, friendly way. This is the essence of "love-shyness".
-He is a man who is strictly heterosexual in his romantic and erotic orientations. In other words, he is a person who is in no way a homosexual or bisexual.
-He is male. No female love-shys were studied for this research.


Don't fit it, other than the first few, but that's because of the ASD rather than shyness. I'm not shy in the least. Social indifference and incompetence are my causes for the first three.



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14 Apr 2009, 10:21 am

LePetitPrince wrote:
billsmithglendale wrote:
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True i know so many very shy girls who are taken , but my sister never even had any kind of relationship, while I am sure she's not homosexual but I suspect that she might be kinda asexual ....even she suspects that, she's 33.


Strangely enough, I have a sister like that as well, who is either super-picky or just doesn't know how to send the signals. She's very pretty too, but she's 30 with no serious BF in years.


She's has far better social skills than me tho ....too much better to the extent that she can't be an aspie, but she's kinda loner and always had very few friends.

She never even complained for not having a bf and she doesn't seem want or need one either.

Should we invent a new syndrome for that case? :P Maybe aspie's sister syndrome? :P


Lesbian-in-denial-sister syndrome :P



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14 Apr 2009, 2:02 pm

The one thing that shocked and disgusted me about that research is the female lesbian part. He said majority of love shy men have wished they were born a female and were lesbians. That just disgusted me.



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15 Apr 2009, 4:47 pm

I'm love-shy and I'm a straight female.

If I like someone, I can't look at them at all or talk to them, or even talk to someone else about them. I feel like running away and hiding with embarrassment.


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15 Apr 2009, 5:19 pm

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I'm love-shy and I'm a straight female.

If I like someone, I can't look at them at all or talk to them, or even talk to someone else about them. I feel like running away and hiding with embarrassment.


What do you think are the reasons behind this? Has it always been like this for you? Have you ever had a relationship in spite of this, say, by the guy being persistent?



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15 Apr 2009, 8:39 pm

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I'm love-shy and I'm a straight female.

If I like someone, I can't look at them at all or talk to them, or even talk to someone else about them. I feel like running away and hiding with embarrassment.


Is it out of nervousness, or is there another reason for that? I remember my "flight" response kicking in when talking to women in the past, but now I can talk to women without getting nervous (albeit not romantically)...

PS: if that's you in your avatar, I must say you're a good looker... :oops:



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16 Apr 2009, 3:02 pm

I read it and liked most of it up until he started with all the astrology and non-scientific stuff.



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16 Apr 2009, 3:17 pm

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I read it and liked most of it up until he started with all the astrology and non-scientific stuff.


To be honest, the thing that gets to me is that he also only did research on heterosexual men... he just makes the assertion that said condition shouldn't have as much of an impact on women and homosexual men because they "don't have to be assertive"... and that also somehow carries into the other things Gilmartin discusses, such as acquiring a job...

That's why I prefer "Avoidant Personality Disorder"... it's gender- and orientation- neutral, and it doesn't consider other effects as "secondary" effects of not being able to find love... and on top of that, it's been scientifically researched. You can have faith in Gilmartin's writings, but just as I don't consider my faith (Christianity in my case) to be scientific (and get really annoyed when people refer to it as such), I really hate it when people consider the whole "love-shy" thing to be scientific...



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16 Apr 2009, 3:22 pm

It's not shyness. It's being 8 years behind girls the same age in maturity growing up.



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16 Apr 2009, 3:36 pm

Lonermutant wrote:
It's not shyness. It's being 8 years behind girls the same age in maturity growing up.


That's just a stereotype, I have 3 older sisters and no one I know would say that they are more mature than I am.



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16 Apr 2009, 3:40 pm

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It's not shyness. It's being 8 years behind girls the same age in maturity growing up.


To be honest, I feel like I'm 8 years ahead of the curve... most of the women my age just want to party a lot, maybe travel the world (a lot of women I stayed in touch with after high school took semesters abroad at some point)... I don't want any of that... I used to enjoy traveling for its own sake back when I was 12, and I never really got into partying at all... Instead, all I want to do right now is settle down like some 30-year-old guy... I'm going to college now so that I can get a decent-paying job that I don't have to work 90 hours a week in just to stay afloat, but once I'm economically independent, the next thing I want to do is start a family... I feel like time is running out...