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05 May 2009, 10:09 am

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Well I'm getting the same ammount of responses from the free sites then I was from the sites you pay for, pretty much none at all.

At least i'm consistent.


Ken, I'd like to help if I can - PM me if you'd like, and once I get settled (moving tomorrrow!!) then we can talk further, look at your profile, see if there is anything that we might discover. Don't get discouraged by the pacing, as it can be feast or famine when it comes to responses online. Are you asking to meet up off the bat, or establishing some sort of rapport in text?


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05 May 2009, 12:12 pm

Well I'd like to talk online for a couple of emails/ messages, then on the phone, then hopefully meet if it goes good.



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05 May 2009, 12:29 pm

The guy who captivates a woman on the date from beginning to end.

He "tells them about themselves", telling them flattering things he's noticed about them - "I've noticed you're a very deep, artistic lady" "I've noticed you're very spiritual" "I've noticed you're very kind and caring".

Then he asks them deeper questions, "has this affected you in your life, have people taken advantage". It's showing interest - but not showing interest in the superficial "what are your hobbies, what is your job" way that small talk failures do. Showing a deep interest in their inner world and how they want to be seen.

Or, his "noticing" is done in a light hearted way "he he, I've noticed you're a lot of fun, you're crazy, I don't think i could handle you!" "you're really wild, you're too wild for me!"

Both these approaches cause the woman to ask "why, why do you say that, what is it about me that makes you think that?" Then he can "tell them more about themselves".."well, its because you said (blah blah), that shows you are that type of person, it's because you do "such and such", that tells me your psychological type".

Everyone is fascinated to hear about themselves, you are your own favourite subject, so the women are captivated to hear this guy who "sees into their soul", "knows you better than you know yourself", and they want to hear his observations about them. They want to know what he can teach them about themselves.



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05 May 2009, 12:35 pm

bascially talk about her - dont talk about "subjects" like hobbies or tv shows unless you know for sure you both like them, or youll bore her away. Do those funny little fake psychological tests that "tell a woman about herself" and make it look as though "your the one who really understands her" - google "pua routines" for these.



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05 May 2009, 3:09 pm

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The guy who captivates a woman on the date from beginning to end.

He "tells them about themselves", telling them flattering things he's noticed about them - "I've noticed you're a very deep, artistic lady" "I've noticed you're very spiritual" "I've noticed you're very kind and caring".

Then he asks them deeper questions, "has this affected you in your life, have people taken advantage". It's showing interest - but not showing interest in the superficial "what are your hobbies, what is your job" way that small talk failures do. Showing a deep interest in their inner world and how they want to be seen.

Or, his "noticing" is done in a light hearted way "he he, I've noticed you're a lot of fun, you're crazy, I don't think i could handle you!" "you're really wild, you're too wild for me!"

Both these approaches cause the woman to ask "why, why do you say that, what is it about me that makes you think that?" Then he can "tell them more about themselves".."well, its because you said (blah blah), that shows you are that type of person, it's because you do "such and such", that tells me your psychological type".

Everyone is fascinated to hear about themselves, you are your own favourite subject, so the women are captivated to hear this guy who "sees into their soul", "knows you better than you know yourself", and they want to hear his observations about them. They want to know what he can teach them about themselves.


Ah. Our newest "guru"... Please spare us the same crap that all the other self-proclaimed "gurus" have spewed here in the past... it only serves to undermine the rest of us... unless that is your goal...



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05 May 2009, 3:20 pm

talk about her, pay her compliments or laugh together about little quirks you noticed. Thats what they tell me. Prehaps a lecture on your favourite Star Trek episodes or small talk about the weather would be more honest though.



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05 May 2009, 3:21 pm

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Tom wrote:
The guy who captivates a woman on the date from beginning to end.

He "tells them about themselves", telling them flattering things he's noticed about them - "I've noticed you're a very deep, artistic lady" "I've noticed you're very spiritual" "I've noticed you're very kind and caring".

Then he asks them deeper questions, "has this affected you in your life, have people taken advantage". It's showing interest - but not showing interest in the superficial "what are your hobbies, what is your job" way that small talk failures do. Showing a deep interest in their inner world and how they want to be seen.

Or, his "noticing" is done in a light hearted way "he he, I've noticed you're a lot of fun, you're crazy, I don't think i could handle you!" "you're really wild, you're too wild for me!"

Both these approaches cause the woman to ask "why, why do you say that, what is it about me that makes you think that?" Then he can "tell them more about themselves".."well, its because you said (blah blah), that shows you are that type of person, it's because you do "such and such", that tells me your psychological type".

Everyone is fascinated to hear about themselves, you are your own favourite subject, so the women are captivated to hear this guy who "sees into their soul", "knows you better than you know yourself", and they want to hear his observations about them. They want to know what he can teach them about themselves.


Ah. Our newest "guru"... Please spare us the same crap that all the other self-proclaimed "gurus" have spewed here in the past... it only serves to undermine the rest of us... unless that is your goal...


How does that undermine people? Its just my opinion about one right way to go. He doesnt have to do it.



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05 May 2009, 3:32 pm

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Nice to hear something more positive Ken and that you are wanting to make changes.

Keep the conversation simple the first time. Try not to talk about yourself too much. Ask her questions about herself and listen to what she says then follow her lead. If she tells you something, ask her something else. If she asks you about yourself, then answer.

Topics to talk about.. books, movies, tv shows, animals, pets, places you've traveled, places you'd like to travel, foods.. almost anything. Keep the first date sort of short. Be polite and be a gentlemen.

As others said, try to be positive. Don't start talking about things you hate and don't talk about your past dates. Look at each one as a fresh start.


The first paragraph I agree - ask leading questions, not yes/no questions, questions which require her to open up more.

The last paragraph - yes, definatly always be positive, don't complain about bad things in your life on a date.

The middle paragraph, i dunno, that sounds a little dull to me. I like a little humor/excitement.



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05 May 2009, 5:26 pm

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How does that undermine people? Its just my opinion about one right way to go. He doesnt have to do it.


Sorry if I'm sounding a bit rude, but we who are disadvantaged when it comes to romance often get people saying that they know the way to woo any woman they want, and how to do it... They offer "tips" to struggling aspies as to getting that particular woman to like you... Some of the common tips, such as talking about her more than yourself, make sense. Others, such as the whole "body language" bs, does not... either way, such people claim that getting into a relationship is incredibly easy, when, in fact, it is nigh impossible... Anyway, these "gurus" claim they have the "magic formula", when they really have nothing, and the aspies that get their hopes up that this may finally be the moment, are inevitably disappointed, and even more jaded than they were before, making it even more unlikely that any woman is going to like them... hence the "undermining" I mentioned earlier...



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05 May 2009, 6:37 pm

Here is what I've noticed:

Every dating sin in the book is forgiven when you are with the "right" person.

Every tiny stumble glares when you are with the "wrong" person.

Perception changes entirely when you simply feel good about being with the person you are with. There is no magic formula for creating that; it either happens, or it doesn't happen.

My first date with my husband was one of the most ackward I've ever had. And, yet, through out it all, I felt connected to him, and had this sense that something better was around the corner for us. And so it was.

So you just keep going up to bat and hoping that when it feels right to you, it will feel right to her, and things will take their natural course from there. BE YOURSELF, because you will never succeed in faking it 24/7, so there is no point in getting her to fall in love with an act.

All that said, there may be bad habits you've picked up over the years that are turn-off's, and that are better left out of the equation. Either dumb lines, invading personal space, using an annoying fragrance, eating funny, and so on. Some of these things will divert your date's focus and keep her from seeing the real you. You may want an honest look for some of that.

But after that ... it will happen if it's meant to be.

That simple.

And that insanely frustratingly difficult.


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05 May 2009, 6:38 pm

oops. repeating myself. unintentionally.


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05 May 2009, 7:16 pm

i recommend you not look for hot women, but just look for all women to be your friend. what are you looking to get out of dating? rather than dating sites, try forums and websites where people go for help. be honest with them from up front and say you have asperger's and that you'd like to talk to her if she has a few minutes. look for all kinds of women even if they have some health problems or may not look super pretty on their picture. if you get to know them and they want to meet you in real life, who knows, you might like each other.


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05 May 2009, 9:15 pm

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i recommend you not look for hot women, but just look for all women to be your friend.

One-way ticket to the friend zone...

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what are you looking to get out of dating? rather than dating sites, try forums and websites where people go for help. be honest with them from up front and say you have asperger's and that you'd like to talk to her if she has a few minutes.

I tried that, but the ladies here don't want me either...

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look for all kinds of women even if they have some health problems or may not look super pretty on their picture. if you get to know them and they want to meet you in real life, who knows, you might like each other.

That I do agree with... all but one of the women I've truly fallen in love with, while still very good-looking, weren't "hot" by the commonly-held definition... in fact, what other people see as "hot" is generally a turn-off for me, since "hot" girls also tend to be the most shallow... yes, there are exceptions, but they're few, far between, and usually taken (another turn-off for me)...



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05 May 2009, 11:51 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:

Every dating sin in the book is forgiven when you are with the "right" person.



Thank you for articulating my thoughts exactly. As an example: I had a two hour conversation on a certain MMORPG and listened with interest the entire time simply because I really liked a guy, and I am not a gamer.

If any guy I was on a date with dropped any pre-planned PUA-type "tricks" and lines on me, I'd 1) pi ck up on it immediately because it's so glaringly obvious to me, and 2) try to refrain from vomiting.



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06 May 2009, 2:09 am

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If any guy I was on a date with dropped any pre-planned PUA-type "tricks" and lines on me, I'd 1) pi ck up on it immediately because it's so glaringly obvious to me, and 2) try to refrain from vomiting.


Then what do you suggest I do? Not everyone has the luxury of being naturally lovable that the guy in your little scenario yapping about MMO's has...

That said, I fail miserably as even a fake PUA, so there isn't much comparison...



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06 May 2009, 2:45 am

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Then what do you suggest I do? Not everyone has the luxury of being naturally lovable that the guy in your little scenario yapping about MMO's has...


Lovable is highly subjective. The guy in my little scenario was a stereotypically awkward aspie who had a history of also failing miserably and whom others have probably not found to be lovable. I don't have any suggestions other than not to bother with PUA tactics because it doesn't work anyway and wouldn't need to if you were dealing with the right people in the first place. I think DW_a_mom's advice is really good.