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What was I again? "A feminist b***h"? "An arrogent piece of crap"? Don't pretend you are defending the rights of women..

I would like to disagree with some of the following statements:

That is true, but there a lot of things they can't get away with without the threat of stigma and exclusion. Like being labelled a 'slut' and so on. It's not just degrading as you later say, but it's social suicide in most social circles.



But what do you mean by 'get away with it'? In the example you cited, if anyone found out about the incident she'd be in trouble, not just in terms of the law but she'd be condemned by society.



But doesn't that uncover some bias of yours? Why is the woman who uses sexual power as a tool for gaining influence in the real world 'non-decent'? Why do you consider the slut to be unethical? Isn't she simply using the power attributed by society to her gender - sexual power - for gain? Sexual power is just as real as power gained through politics, money, and we shouldn't simply deny that it exists, or claim it to be an invalid type of power. We should only acknowledge that it's overemphasised.

I will apologize for calling you a feminist b**ch, as I was a bit out of line, if you apologize to me for making all those bogus assumptions about me and trying to paint me out to be someone I'm not.

Yeah, but but why can't a man have the same sexual power in society? Why can't a man use his attributes in the same way? And why do women get called sluts for having multiple partners when men are honored and treated like gods for having multiple partners?
I think both sexes should play by the same exact rules.

I mean if both sexes had the same rules it wouldn't be a big issue

Not a chance. You are the one who said sexist and offensive things with a total disregard and contempt for the women here and I reacted accordingly. You are the one that opted to start calling me denogrative names.. I have not abused you in the same way. I did not deserve it and will not be blackmailed into apologising or be manipluated into making concessions.. it really shows your lack of charactor that you would even try issuing me with such ultimatums. Do you go around calling women names in RL? Do you demand that they apologise when they slap you in the face for it? Same concept. You need to grow up and take responsibilty for your own behaviour.

Last edited by riley on 11 Jun 2006, 11:41 am, edited 1 time in total.

Look, I'm not the sort of person who gets hints. Try as I might, even if I do see a hint of some kind my mind tends to doubt itself until I'm sure that I'm reading too much into things. If you wanted to say that I was being patronising you should've just come out and said it. I'm not a little boy, I can take it. If that's indeed how I was, then I'm sorry.

I sent you out a pm just before you posted that comment, but you can disregard it. It was only asking if there was some hint in your messages or not, because as I said I'm not great with hints.

Men can use sexual power, although it's not emphasised as it is with women. Women are called sluts and men 'players' for many reasons, and these may include biological, religious and cultural reasons, among others.

Enigmatic_Oddity,
Thankyou and no hard feelings. I've been trying to find a balance between being blunt and being diplomatic without losing the gist of what I'm trying to say so I understand the frustration. I'm still not always sure how to get the message across.

I am not a sexist, just because I have the balls to criticize doesn't make me a sexist. Your just so caught up in political correctness and defending the label (female) and are so damn vindictive that you won't let it go... I'm willing to apologize where I went wrong, your not.
And it's funny how you deliberately leave tons of things out of your arguments, or deliberately dodge the points I make. It's called being insecure, now your calling me childish?
You almost remind me of dominionists, if someone is verbally attacking your unfair advantage you gotta play spin doctor here and make yourself out to be the victim. I'm not attacking women, but listen very carefully here, you might learn something.
Lets say 5 guys ask you out in a week, but your not interested in any of them... Next week another 5 guys will ask you out, eventually your gonna be interested in one of them. The guy has to initiate it, this is why the guy is alot more rejected than the woman. A woman can take her pic, a guy with AS won't have a single offer, let alone a line-up. This is what is wrong with liberals, your so caught on being politically correct your as blind as a bat. This is what is wrong with society, they tap a label to themselves (in this case female) and become so overly defensive that you defend you defend your label without logick, without reason, often when it's not under attack in the first place. Not agreeing that woman should have a special advantage isn't being sexist! Kinda like not agreeing christians should be favored over other religions isn't discriminating on Christianity...

Any inkling of criticism and you wanna yell persecution

Oh, name one example of a man having sexual power in society?

You are not willing to give a sincere apology.. if you were you would not be attaching provisions to it. If you were a decent person you would not have resorted to name calling in the first place.
I explained why I had a problem with things you have said.. you were not a victim and I did not twist your word out of context. Saying things like 'womanly desires fulfilled with any dick' [or whatever it was] and mentioning head jobs and 'flashing tits' was inappropriate.. it wasn't even neccesary. You could have said 'flashing a pretty smile' but you opted for the cruder example. It would make many women here feel uncomfortable and disrespected which is why I called you on it and so you responded with abuse. I have already explained this. I did not abuse you and I did not call you derogatory names so I will not allow you to bully me.

I AM NOT A 'PIECE OF CRAP', I will not be spoken to like crap and I will not just 'let it go' and let you get away with being so disrespectful. You did not just 'criticise' me either so don't try that one on.

Hmm its seems that three people have been watching this thread very closely with Enigmatic_Oddity being the go between or referee. I noticed that things at times were getting rather heated and that the same points were being re-iterated over and over.

It needs to end guys. All I can see is a lot of misunderstandings and misinterpretations and all these have turned into disagreements on both sides creating a clash. I think you both made some valid points and truths and that, as much as you disagree with each other, both of your opinions are to be valued. Can you guys just agree to disagree? I acknowledge the fact that both of you have made an attempt to call a truce. It would be a shame to see people falling out on a forum like this.

I'm obviously trying more than she is to make a truce, I offered to apologice where I was wrong... She tries to spin things in the other direction and make believe I'm attacking her gender when all I'm doing is saying that I don't agree with her arrogant "we deserve special advantages" rhetoric and how she started this by treating me like i was some sexist moron because I believe in social ***EQUALITY*** for both sexes. But the democratic party sais equality means you get special priveledges over men right? The democratic party sais women need an added advantage over men, right? And whatever they say must be true (sarcasm). (I can guess by your stance your a blind follower of liberal ideology, tree-hugging zombie hippy... I am neither liberal or conservative, I think for myself. You should try it)
You may not realise this but your doing more harm to women than I am, your blindly defending the objectification of your gender because of the sociological advantage that it provides to you (perhaps out of insecurity?), while I'm disputing it, not just to embetter the standing of women in society, but also to split the cards 50/50. You offer no counters to any of my points but continously lambast me with crude accusations and I have largely been the one standing up for myself. So screw your politically correct blindness. Just because I have the cajones to think for myself and speak my mind and just because I see fault in a label you attach yourself to doesn't mean I'm attacking women or women's right.

Look, I am threw arguing with you, you were the one who attacked me, not the other way around. It was you who twisted my words to mean something other than what I intended them to mean, it was you who made me out to be some sick perv, and now your trying to play reverse psychology... I think your scum, and I'm tired of arguing against total arrogance with someone who refuses to see any faults in their self-labelling. Just like a christian conservative (rolls eyes). I'm done here, I won't post on this thread anymore. Just shut your nazi mouth riley. Don't write back and I won't write you back.

That's sweet, Fiz, and good of you to try to inject rationality. But I think you're missing the point: they are having so much FUN arguing.

I mean, this argument has no real stake. Nobody knows about it or will, and they could have stopped at any time without any detriment but a loss of face to the person with whom they are arguing. But apparently they have spent a great deal of time writing these back and forth.

Ergo, they must be having fun, because there's no other rational explanation.

And you don't really want to stand in the way of fun, do you?

Best wishes to you guys.