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27 Nov 2011, 2:30 pm

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Why am I always called a troll? Geez, even HERE of all places. Have a nice day.

Even though I understood the reasoning behind your viewpoint, I admit I LOL'd at the way you worded your suggestion, because it seems you were purposefully trying to look like you were flouting "popular values".

Hell, I thought it was brave myself. At least DetestableInsect isn't advocating drugs like cocaine or something.

I'd try meds myself but it's really a 50/50 shot as to whether they'll help you or hinder you, it seems. For every couple people who become happier due to them, there are people who become suicidal due to them as well. I'm not talking borderline like MR20 seems to be. I mean to the point where they actually DO kill themselves.

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27 Nov 2011, 2:44 pm

DialAForAwesome wrote:

swbluto wrote:

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Why am I always called a troll? Geez, even HERE of all places. Have a nice day.

Hell, I thought it was brave myself. At least DetestableInsect isn't advocating drugs like cocaine or something.

Antidepressants can cause a paradoxical reaction in some people, and especiall in teenagers, I've read. When I was on them, the first one she tired on me made me worse. Luckily, I knew that could happen and I recognized it as a side effect and knew it was a false feeling, and called her and she changed the med to one that worked for me. Knowing that it wasn't how I really felt, but was the medication didn't make me feel better, but it helped me to know that it wasn't me feeling that really, and it would get better once I stopped taking it. The new one worked great.

I see no problem with medication, especially for depression. It's a real disorder that can be treated medically. It's physiological and there is no shame in taking a medicine for it. If someone has screwed up brain chemistry, then it's as important for them to take medication to fix it as it is if they have screwed up hormones or cholesterol. Then when their brain chemistry is back to normal, therapy helps too. Nothing wrong with it and no shame in it.

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27 Nov 2011, 5:56 pm

Don't forget that no medication can fix what is purely psychological.

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27 Nov 2011, 6:13 pm

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Don't forget that no medication can fix what is purely psychological.

actually, it can. it's called "the placebo effect".

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27 Nov 2011, 6:31 pm

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Don't forget that no medication can fix what is purely psychological.

actually, it can. it's called "the placebo effect".

That only works because the patient is being manipulated into thinking it works.

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27 Nov 2011, 6:36 pm

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Don't forget that no medication can fix what is purely psychological.

actually, it can. it's called "the placebo effect".

That only works because the patient is being manipulated into thinking it works.

yes, exactly. it uses psychology, which can help fix a psychological problem.

anyway the brain and mind are inextricably linked. mood is influenced by brain and body chemicals, or maybe even entirely created by them.

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27 Nov 2011, 7:57 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

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Don't forget that no medication can fix what is purely psychological.

actually, it can. it's called "the placebo effect".

That only works because the patient is being manipulated into thinking it works.

What I was getting at is there is no drug out there that can cure, say, anxiety. Sure, there are drugs out there that can offset the chemical imbalances that occur during anxiety, but no drug can cure anxiety in itself.

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27 Nov 2011, 8:04 pm

MacDragard wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

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Don't forget that no medication can fix what is purely psychological.

actually, it can. it's called "the placebo effect".

That only works because the patient is being manipulated into thinking it works.

The drug can relieve the symptoms of it, which are scary in themselves and contribute to the problem. This allows the mind to learn to compensate with self calming methods.

However, when depression is chemical, which it is many times, a drug is the only thing that will cure it. Many depressed people have what they want from life, yet their brain chemistry prevents them from enjoying it. Drugs to correct this imbalance in brain chemistry allows them to feel better, thus becoming more active, thus more able to function without the drugs at a later stage. I'm not saying they need to be used forever. Maybe long enough to learn other ways of feeling and being and coping. When the symptoms of something are gone, and the symptoms are as distracting as those of anxiety and depression, it's easier to learn to deal with the underlying cause of it.

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28 Nov 2011, 6:15 am

OliveOilMom wrote:

However, when depression is chemical, which it is many times, a drug is the only thing that will cure it. Many depressed people have what they want from life, yet their brain chemistry prevents them from enjoying it. Drugs to correct this imbalance in brain chemistry allows them to feel better, thus becoming more active, thus more able to function without the drugs at a later stage. I'm not saying they need to be used forever. Maybe long enough to learn other ways of feeling and being and coping. When the symptoms of something are gone, and the symptoms are as distracting as those of anxiety and depression, it's easier to learn to deal with the underlying cause of it.

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I agree that drugs should only be used as on a temporary basis whilst the person taking them finds the underlying cause or develops coping strategies and other techniques to deal with stress and I would only recommend drugs as a last resort to someone suffering from depression or anxiety. I used to take medication but I managed to develop different strategies to overcome my depression and anxiety such as exercise routines and avoiding certain foods and stimulants such as caffeine.

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29 Nov 2011, 7:57 am

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It's reality, what am i supposed to do, lie to myself?

Yes! Lie to yourself, if that's what it takes to get you to keep trying. Get up, tell yourself how great you are, take a shower, leave the house and start a conversation with someone. You'll probably fail at it very badly, and feel like s**t about yourself afterwards. Do it again the next day. And the next, and the next, and the next.

Keep at it, and every day lie to yourself that "This time, it'll work. Today I'll make a connection with someone." And slowly, imperceptibly, you will get better at it. Note that I did not say you'd reach the same level as some people, only that you'd get better at it than you are now. And eventually (maybe in a few weeks, maybe a year or two from now), someone will surprise you by actually wanting to spend time with you. And this'll give you a tiny tiny shred of self-confidence.

Then that bit of confidence inspires you to try harder, and slowly but surely you start having more and more successes. And each one gives you a little more confidence. And as your confidence grows, so do your successes.

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29 Nov 2011, 8:56 am

I don't think MR20 gave up, no matter what he says.

There's a lot of will in him.

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01 Dec 2011, 3:04 am

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It's reality, what am i supposed to do, lie to myself?

Yes! Lie to yourself, if that's what it takes to get you to keep trying. Get up, tell yourself how great you are, take a shower, leave the house and start a conversation with someone. You'll probably fail at it very badly, and feel like sh** about yourself afterwards. Do it again the next day. And the next, and the next, and the next.

I struggle to talk to people that initiate conversation, there's no way I'd be able to start up casual conversations with random people, it's just not possible. I don't think I'll ever have the "social courage" if you will, to be able to pull that off. I don't function well around crowds of people. I also get overwhelmed by situations that involves a lot of pressure to socialize and act normal. (normal is something I can't do)

Keep at it, and every day lie to yourself that "This time, it'll work. Today I'll make a connection with someone."

I told myself that a lot growing up and in my teens. See, but there's only a certain amount of time before you stop believing. You know, with the lack of results and evidence. I don't have that much willpower

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01 Dec 2011, 3:04 am

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I don't think MR20 gave up, no matter what he says.

There's a lot of will in him.

I wish I could believe that.

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01 Dec 2011, 3:36 am

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I don't think MR20 gave up, no matter what he says.

There's a lot of will in him.

I wish I could believe that.

There's a lot of willpower in you, you just haven't realized it yet, you are comparing yourself too much to people in Hollywood magazines and MTV music videos. You need to find acceptance for yourself and stop trying to live up to the expectations of the media.

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01 Dec 2011, 9:16 am

I seriously thought he was good looking in the picture, so I told him the truth. I don't appreciate him implying or saying I'm lying about my opinion. I have no reason to. If I didn't think he was, I just wouldn't have said anything. I simply suggested better hygeine, because he mentioned that himself, and a different hairstyle because I like rows or dreds on black guys.

It's my opinion and I'm not lying.

I think his negative personality may be whats to blame for his lonliness. He can fake a positive attitude around others and when he sees the reception he gets with it, I bet he will start to use it more, and it will be more genuine and not fake as time goes on.

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01 Dec 2011, 12:19 pm

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I seriously thought he was good looking in the picture, so I told him the truth. I don't appreciate him implying or saying I'm lying about my opinion. I have no reason to. If I didn't think he was, I just wouldn't have said anything. I simply suggested better hygeine, because he mentioned that himself, and a different hairstyle because I like rows or dreds on black guys.

It's my opinion and I'm not lying.

I think his negative personality may be whats to blame for his lonliness. He can fake a positive attitude around others and when he sees the reception he gets with it, I bet he will start to use it more, and it will be more genuine and not fake as time goes on.

Frances

Obviously. I mean there no other reasons why the opposite sex is repulsed by me. My "negative' attitude is the ONLY reason why no one wants to hang out with me. It's also why I get made fun of, talked down to, and in general, get treated like s**t.

Obviously, it's the reason I feel the way I feel about myself.

It's all so clear near now. All I need to do is start believing in some fluffy and unrealistic BS, then I'll start having success

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