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11 Jul 2012, 2:23 pm

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BlueMax called me a man hater in another thread, so i hardly think he is an expert on what is an appropriate way to express what is acceptable in this instance.

So now this boils down to a personal vendetta... Because I said one thing you really dislike, I'm now no longer capable of having a valid point.

so, you don't understand that, if you consider that type of action to be wrong, then you did the wrong thing to someone else?

Aren't you doing that as well?

no, i am not calling you a woman hater, or sexist, or anything like that.

you didn't answer. did you understand that you did the wrong thing to me?


But you are going out on a whim to single him out based on what you feel was ill treatment.
What he said might not have been nice or accurate but you could have got someone to deal with that for you. Instead you choose to go on a vendetta and attack him and invalidate him which is pretty much the same sort of thing you are saying other people do when left to run riot with their generalizations and bigotry. In other words you're being a hypocrite right now.

I think when you come to post in topics regarding gender, equality, human physique you really need to step back and enter with a clear head because it's increasingly evident you have personal issues with these topics and you tend to veer a lot of topics off due to this personal level you take the threads at.



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11 Jul 2012, 2:27 pm

MXH wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
BlueMax wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
BlueMax wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
BlueMax called me a man hater in another thread, so i hardly think he is an expert on what is an appropriate way to express what is acceptable in this instance.

So now this boils down to a personal vendetta... Because I said one thing you really dislike, I'm now no longer capable of having a valid point.

so, you don't understand that, if you consider that type of action to be wrong, then you did the wrong thing to someone else?

Aren't you doing that as well?

no, i am not calling you a woman hater, or sexist, or anything like that.

you didn't answer. did you understand that you did the wrong thing to me?


Not to be an ass, but for someone whos going through exactly what me and wolf are talking about you seem to miss it a lot. You said something which blue considered to be sexist. Thus he called you a man hater. When in reality what you said probably wasnt in that manner. Its something that happens here day in and out, mostly to the men. And usually not as a way to let someone learn about their mistakes but as a way to belittle them and shrug off their standing in the argument.

wait a moment... i didn't say that i consider it to be the wrong action to take. HE said that it was the wrong action to call out someone's posts as sexist. yet he did it to me. he is not seeing the contradiction there. it seems that he only considers it to be a wrong action when it is someone else doing it. so i am seeking to find out if he actually understands that his guideline must also apply to himself, not just to other people.


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11 Jul 2012, 2:28 pm

JanuaryMan wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
BlueMax wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
BlueMax wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
BlueMax called me a man hater in another thread, so i hardly think he is an expert on what is an appropriate way to express what is acceptable in this instance.

So now this boils down to a personal vendetta... Because I said one thing you really dislike, I'm now no longer capable of having a valid point.

so, you don't understand that, if you consider that type of action to be wrong, then you did the wrong thing to someone else?

Aren't you doing that as well?

no, i am not calling you a woman hater, or sexist, or anything like that.

you didn't answer. did you understand that you did the wrong thing to me?


But you are going out on a whim to single him out based on what you feel was ill treatment.
What he said might not have been nice or accurate but you could have got someone to deal with that for you. Instead you choose to go on a vendetta and attack him and invalidate him which is pretty much the same sort of thing you are saying other people do when left to run riot with their generalizations and bigotry. In other words you're being a hypocrite right now.

I think when you come to post in topics regarding gender, equality, human physique you really need to step back and enter with a clear head because it's increasingly evident you have personal issues with these topics and you tend to veer a lot of topics off due to this personal level you take the threads at.

i didn't ever say that he did the wrong thing - if he had been doing the wrong thing at the time i would have asked a moderator to step in. it is HIM who is saying it is the wrong thing to do, which is quite hypocritical. if he thinks that people should behave a certain way, then he should do so himself.


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11 Jul 2012, 2:28 pm

I think both parties are guilty here. Set aside the victim and God complexes and let's move on with the discussion :lol:



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11 Jul 2012, 2:30 pm

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I think both parties are guilty here. Set aside the victim and God complexes and let's move on with the discussion :lol:

see my response above. i have no problem whatsoever with a person calling another person's posts sexist, or calling them out on a contradiction. no god complex here, but i do notice contradictions.


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11 Jul 2012, 2:33 pm

this is very interesting.

1. members say that they think a certain action is wrong
2. i don't agree, but i personally experienced that action from one of those members
3. i call him out for his contradiction and point out that he has separate rules for himself and other members
4. i am confronted on several sides by people who think that I am doing something wrong

hilarious :lol:


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11 Jul 2012, 2:35 pm

About the "belittling" thing. I don't think we can ever know intent with certainty, but I don't think that's what's going on in these sorts of disputes. It just feels that way. If you ask me it's a defensive reaction ... Blue Max, I am sure, did not intend to belittle Hyperlexian when he described her as a man-hater and I am sure Hyperlexian doesn't intend to belittle when she describes something as sexist. I think the person in these instances is genuinely bothered (perhaps rightfully, perhaps not) by the comment or attitude they're responding to.

Also in reference to this discussion - my definition of fairness is to hold people to the same standards they hold others to.



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11 Jul 2012, 2:39 pm

i agree, edgewaters. i wouldn't try to use "sexist" as an insult, and i do not think most people would.

(actually, i'd probably deal with it as a mod, but that's not the point. as a member, i would not be out to hurt people with a statement like that)


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11 Jul 2012, 2:41 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
MXH wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
BlueMax wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
BlueMax wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
BlueMax called me a man hater in another thread, so i hardly think he is an expert on what is an appropriate way to express what is acceptable in this instance.

So now this boils down to a personal vendetta... Because I said one thing you really dislike, I'm now no longer capable of having a valid point.

so, you don't understand that, if you consider that type of action to be wrong, then you did the wrong thing to someone else?

Aren't you doing that as well?

no, i am not calling you a woman hater, or sexist, or anything like that.

you didn't answer. did you understand that you did the wrong thing to me?


Not to be an ass, but for someone whos going through exactly what me and wolf are talking about you seem to miss it a lot. You said something which blue considered to be sexist. Thus he called you a man hater. When in reality what you said probably wasnt in that manner. Its something that happens here day in and out, mostly to the men. And usually not as a way to let someone learn about their mistakes but as a way to belittle them and shrug off their standing in the argument.

wait a moment... i didn't say that i consider it to be the wrong action to take. HE said that it was the wrong action to call out someone's posts as sexist. yet he did it to me. he is not seeing the contradiction there. it seems that he only considers it to be a wrong action when it is someone else doing it. so i am seeking to find out if he actually understands that his guideline must also apply to himself, not just to other people.


thats notwaht im arguing. Im not saying fairness is someone calling him that either. Im not looking for irony in a specific case, im not looking for anything in a specific case. Im speaking from many cases together over both men and women in this forum.



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11 Jul 2012, 2:44 pm

MXH wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MXH wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
BlueMax wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
BlueMax wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
BlueMax called me a man hater in another thread, so i hardly think he is an expert on what is an appropriate way to express what is acceptable in this instance.

So now this boils down to a personal vendetta... Because I said one thing you really dislike, I'm now no longer capable of having a valid point.

so, you don't understand that, if you consider that type of action to be wrong, then you did the wrong thing to someone else?

Aren't you doing that as well?

no, i am not calling you a woman hater, or sexist, or anything like that.

you didn't answer. did you understand that you did the wrong thing to me?


Not to be an ass, but for someone whos going through exactly what me and wolf are talking about you seem to miss it a lot. You said something which blue considered to be sexist. Thus he called you a man hater. When in reality what you said probably wasnt in that manner. Its something that happens here day in and out, mostly to the men. And usually not as a way to let someone learn about their mistakes but as a way to belittle them and shrug off their standing in the argument.

wait a moment... i didn't say that i consider it to be the wrong action to take. HE said that it was the wrong action to call out someone's posts as sexist. yet he did it to me. he is not seeing the contradiction there. it seems that he only considers it to be a wrong action when it is someone else doing it. so i am seeking to find out if he actually understands that his guideline must also apply to himself, not just to other people.


thats notwaht im arguing. Im not saying fairness is someone calling him that either. Im not looking for irony in a specific case, im not looking for anything in a specific case. Im speaking from many cases together over both men and women in this forum.

i don't think it's a problem really - if a post is sexist there isn't really anything wrong with calling it out as such - though the very best solution is to contact a moderator (there are other moderators if you feel that i am too involved in a discussion or if you don't think i'd be unbiased).


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11 Jul 2012, 2:46 pm

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i don't think it's a problem really - if a post is sexist there isn't really anything wrong with calling it out as such - though the very best solution is to contact a moderator (there are other moderators if you feel that i am too involved in a discussion or if you don't think i'd be unbiased).


The problem is when the post ISNT sexist, yet they are called sexist in hopes they will back out of an argument.



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11 Jul 2012, 2:49 pm

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i don't think it's a problem really - if a post is sexist there isn't really anything wrong with calling it out as such - though the very best solution is to contact a moderator (there are other moderators if you feel that i am too involved in a discussion or if you don't think i'd be unbiased).


The problem is when the post ISNT sexist, yet they are called sexist in hopes they will back out of an argument.

well, my post wasn't sexist.


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11 Jul 2012, 3:14 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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i don't think it's a problem really - if a post is sexist there isn't really anything wrong with calling it out as such - though the very best solution is to contact a moderator (there are other moderators if you feel that i am too involved in a discussion or if you don't think i'd be unbiased).


The problem is when the post ISNT sexist, yet they are called sexist in hopes they will back out of an argument.

well, my post wasn't sexist.
I wouldnt know if it was. But if it is as you say then how are you having trouble understanding what we say if youve experienced it?



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MXH wrote:
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MXH wrote:
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i don't think it's a problem really - if a post is sexist there isn't really anything wrong with calling it out as such - though the very best solution is to contact a moderator (there are other moderators if you feel that i am too involved in a discussion or if you don't think i'd be unbiased).


The problem is when the post ISNT sexist, yet they are called sexist in hopes they will back out of an argument.

well, my post wasn't sexist.
I wouldnt know if it was. But if it is as you say then how are you having trouble understanding what we say if youve experienced it?

i didn't ever say there was anything wrong with it, only that it is a contradiction to say it is wrong, yet behave that way.


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11 Jul 2012, 9:42 pm

Females want best friends of the same height and weight, same hair colour and length, same bust size, same genotype and same level of attractiveness

but not so much the same, that they appear as sisters...

And chocolate!



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11 Jul 2012, 11:16 pm

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Females want best friends of the same height and weight, same hair colour and length, same bust size, same genotype and same level of attractiveness

but not so much the same, that they appear as sisters...

And chocolate!


lol You lost me with all the other stuff but I definitely agree with chocolate!! ! Got to go get some chocolate now! Bye!! !