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03 Jan 2013, 6:44 am

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It wouldn't work in practice though

Is the lad in that film Sam Gangee in Lord of the Rings? I was thinking where have I seen him before?? and I've just realised! It's Sam!


I haven't seen the film, but I did read the short story. In the end, I imagine that true equality won't really happen, but technology can still do wondrous things for us, and we shouldn't ignore the things full body prosthesis could do for us. Imo it's simply the next stage in our evolution.

[edit] lol this discussion has gone WAAAAAAAAAAAY into left field from the original topic......


it's my thread though and I like it like this



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03 Jan 2013, 6:50 am

nessa238 wrote:
it's my thread though and I like it like this


"It's my party and I'll cry if I want to!"



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03 Jan 2013, 6:51 am

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it's my thread though and I like it like this


"It's my party and I'll cry if I want to!"


Hasn't this been an interesting discussion though?

I'm not stopping anyone else joining in and posting their thoughts



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03 Jan 2013, 6:53 am

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You need to read 'Harrison Bergeron' by Kurt Vonnegut

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron

Several films have been made of the story too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmEOI5zwFMM


I've read that story before! Only thing is, in this story everyone is equally crap. I'd rather everyone be equally awesome.

you can't have equality and awesome at the same time.



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03 Jan 2013, 6:54 am

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You need to read 'Harrison Bergeron' by Kurt Vonnegut

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron

Several films have been made of the story too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmEOI5zwFMM


I've read that story before! Only thing is, in this story everyone is equally crap. I'd rather everyone be equally awesome.

you can't have equality and awesome at the same time.


Depends on your definition of equality

If equal rights you can have awesome as well
but if equal in every last detail - that would remove genius



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03 Jan 2013, 8:24 am

I have to disagree with the people who have popped up and said things like "being nice is basic human decency" or "the vast majority of people are nice" because they just aren't these days. You do a good deed, and it is automatically assumed you want something from the other person. Plus with peer pressure running rampant, and how wild everything else has gotten, there's been an "every man for himself" attitude applied to just about everything, so this pretty much explains why most people can't even give you the time of day.

And yeah, I can agree that in today's world, kindness should be rewarded, but it is only expected, and that's a scary thing to think about, especially given the fact that just a few decades ago, character mattered more than how selfish you were and how much money you had.


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03 Jan 2013, 8:29 am

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I have to disagree with the people who have popped up and said things like "being nice is basic human decency" or "the vast majority of people are nice" because they just aren't these days. You do a good deed, and it is automatically assumed you want something from the other person. Plus with peer pressure running rampant, and how wild everything else has gotten, there's been an "every man for himself" attitude applied to just about everything, so this pretty much explains why most people can't even give you the time of day.

And yeah, I can agree that in today's world, kindness should be rewarded, but it is only expected, and that's a scary thing to think about, especially given the fact that just a few decades ago, character mattered more than how selfish you were and how much money you had.


I agree totally and had been going to post the same thing myself re most people not being nice these days.

I find that people are nice if you have something they want and if you don't they have no incentive to be nice.



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03 Jan 2013, 8:34 am

Now also, when I said positive actions should be rewarded, keep in mind I'm not talking about romance at all. That's an entirely different thing from what I was talking about. Nobody is entitled to anybody's body, but I will say it's quite disturbing when you get people in real life that say things like that, and then they turn around and end up with someone who really shouldn't have anything to do with their body. :P

The irony of the whole thing is, the human race seems to be reverting back to the ways of the caveman. That is, to fend only for themselves and say "to hell with everyone else." Even racism is at an all-time high now for the first time since the '50s. I mean, society is just getting more and more corrupt. It doesn't surprise me that the bad guys always win.


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03 Jan 2013, 8:39 am

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Now also, when I said positive actions should be rewarded, keep in mind I'm not talking about romance at all. That's an entirely different thing from what I was talking about. Nobody is entitled to anybody's body, but I will say it's quite disturbing when you get people in real life that say things like that, and then they turn around and end up with someone who really shouldn't have anything to do with their body. :P

The irony of the whole thing is, the human race seems to be reverting back to the ways of the caveman. That is, to fend only for themselves and say "to hell with everyone else." Even racism is at an all-time high now for the first time since the '50s. I mean, society is just getting more and more corrupt. It doesn't surprise me that the bad guys always win.


In my opinion society/civilisation moves in waves and you get civilised waves when we make more progress and then barbarian ones where we remain static or go backwards. Technologically and scientifically-speaking we continue to make progress but in terms of human interactions it seems to me we're getting more barbarian in terms of how selfish and cruel we are becoming, with profit being more important than human lives.

But, was it that different in the past?



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03 Jan 2013, 8:58 am

According to people I've known for years, who have lived through all sorts of things, it is a lot different. The only bad thing was, really, that racism was so widespread and accepted. But back then, people got along with others better, could let their kids run around with very little fear of anything happening to them, and all sorts of stuff you wouldn't believe if you were born in the '80s or later. The most important thing is that people judged others by character, and not by how they looked. Sure, you still had the kids who teased other kids for how they looked and everything, but it all evened out later on in life. Today's people don't have that luxury. You either got it or you don't. If you don't got it, then prepare for hell.


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03 Jan 2013, 9:04 am

DialAForAwesome wrote:
According to people I've known for years, who have lived through all sorts of things, it is a lot different. The only bad thing was, really, that racism was so widespread and accepted. But back then, people got along with others better, could let their kids run around with very little fear of anything happening to them, and all sorts of stuff you wouldn't believe if you were born in the '80s or later. The most important thing is that people judged others by character, and not by how they looked. Sure, you still had the kids who teased other kids for how they looked and everything, but it all evened out later on in life. Today's people don't have that luxury. You either got it or you don't. If you don't got it, then prepare for hell.


Yes I know what you mean

It's the influence of TV and the internet and the rise of celebrity culture that's done it, with everyone encouraged to scrutinise everyone else's faults all the time.

When I was growing up in the 70's people seemed to be far less judgemental and we weren't obsessed with branded products. It all seemed very innocent and nice whereas now it's all cynical and cruel. I don't relate to today's society at all - I'd happily live in a nuclear bunker in the desert to escape it all!



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03 Jan 2013, 9:29 am

i have no idea what this thread is inherently about, but i will say something anyway.
i have never joined a dating site because i am not interested in dating.
i have a girlfriend who i love in one way, and who i feel constricted by in another way.

i am thoroughly satisfied with how i am and how my world i live in is. i need no one else to be an ingredient in my satisfaction.

i do not know why anyone feels lonely when they are not in the company of other people. i feel more lonely when i am in company because i can see just how far away from them i am.

their rules and regulations that are unspoken (but very important to reciprocal conversations) can not be obeyed by me. i have no idea why people are incensed at mere suggestions, and of the verbal renditions of my observations, and so i consign their reactions to the scrap heap of my memory.

the main requirement i have is to breathe and eat and sleep warmly.

i do not even understand the language of love

it is unfathomable to me why many young men feel less than whole without a girlfriend.

the notion of "romance" i am blind to.

many girls want to know me on a personal level, but i have told them "no" because it takes all day every day for me to consider my own needs.

here is a wordplay:

you are either a hot guy or an ice guy.
there is a fertile field of consideration that i can not be bothered to type about.



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03 Jan 2013, 10:50 am

This thread has turned into a very fascinating series of conversations. Rare for L&D. I am impressed and intrigued.


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03 Jan 2013, 11:14 am

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This thread has turned into a very fascinating series of conversations. Rare for L&D. I am impressed and intrigued.


Whoa whoa whoa.

Everyone, we're doing this whole thing wrong.

LET'S HAVE A BAR FIGHT! :P *throws chair*


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03 Jan 2013, 11:39 am

Bar fights are in my top three favorite activities so long as I'm in a bar.


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03 Jan 2013, 11:39 am

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This thread has turned into a very fascinating series of conversations. Rare for L&D. I am impressed and intrigued.


Yes, this is how threads should be imo - they can diverge off into other related subjects as long as it remains interesting to people and they keep talking and also more people are likely to join in then too.

Real life conversations don't stay on one topic - they move through lots of different topics - they evolve.