Who are the Self Proclaimed Nice Guys here?

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If you take a gallon of colored water and look through it, on the sides its fairly translucent, but at its core it gets vary dark and hard to see through, where if the jug was smaller with smaller amounts of liquid you would be able to see through it fairly clear. as populations (the water) grow that darkness (frustrations) will grow. so the greater the number the greater the odds of something going wrong. then those one or two bad apples will cause there to be even more resentment towards men which will increase their frustrations and resentments.

There is a fine line between what I been trying to say, and how your interpreting what I am trying to say. thats why I am being argumentative, because your missing the point over and over again. I wasn't trying to validate anything nor grant excuses for it.

Please lets just drop it. the only reason I keep responding is others are doing the same.

can I just say that your water analogy is not the best choice for this purpose. You have an already existing human population issue to use for an example - India is well known for the rape problem due to frustrated males who don't have an outlet for their sexual desires. They are addressing the problem by pretending it doesn't exist: http://www.newslo.com/india-finds-solut ... -protests/


Obviously the country of India is trying to address this issue seriously, but as you point out, it's difficult, here's an update on what has been achieved in the past year http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -rape.html

One year after the Delhi bus rape: what's changed

– Fast-track courts to hear rape cases
– New laws for minimum 20-year sentences for rape
– Death penalty for rapes where the victim dies or is left in a vegetative state
– Campaigners say women more willing to come forward and report crimes
– Number of rapes more than doubles year-on-year
– Government refuses to make rape within marriage a crime
– £195 million memorial fund to help other victims has not spent a single penny

I think 'Nice Guys' are mostly a modern mythical creature, born of homo sapiens tendency to categorize and stereotype things. Like Lions eat me, Lions bad. Fruit good to eat, fruit good. But its a nonsensical notion if you ask me. Any person is or can be both nice and not-nice.

Alright, this shows you recognize some of the issues. but your still missing some of what I was trying to get at.
Trying to force men into submission through fear, like imprisonment and execution does not resolve the problem, all it does is put a lid on a pressure cooker then turn up the heat. it does not resolve the issues of what the men are going through that created the problems in the first place, it represses them and it does not help THEM.

I do have a thought, but I been refusing to mention it because I don't think others would take to it to well, and it goes like this.

Have social working sexual councilors. not prostitutes or sex slaves, but individuals willing to work on helping the subject become that more relationship materials and to help them with their frustrations and the restructuring of their lives, and when called for or needed to help them now and then alleviate those sexual frustrations until they are able to find and have those relationships they feel they want and or need. and unlike prostitutes they don't cost a fortune the poorer man can not afford. Nor would the councilors have to give sex, only help them with what they need till the male can get past those difficulties and improve their lives. enabling them. it would get tons of men in for counseling and working out their frustrations. and all those men out there whom are really depressed from feeling like rejects from hell, that would give their eye teeth just to be held and touched by a woman, to feel human, would find relief that could help alleviate those feelings and perhaps enable them by giving them the tools to help them get them selves into a real relationship. kind of like surrogate relationships.

^ I am not sure what to think about your suggestion (other than it sounds like going to prostitutes but cheaper - you are suggesting government should subsidize prostitution?), but I do have one question: why is mastrubation not enough to get rid of the sexual frustration?

AspergianMutantt: I sat here with my mouth open for awhile after reading your most recent post not because I think it's a good idea, but because I find it hard to believe that anyone who has any experience with the body public could suggest sexual social workers.

Those entitlement issues you have are stunning..... It's an entitlement issue to demand that a class of social workers whose job description would include having to have sex with their clients be created in order to prevent men from raping women or committing violence against them. Do you not realize that social worker's case loads are NOT voluntary, and that the women under those circumstances would not be able to choose who they had sex with?

Do you have a SINGLE suggestion that does not involve women being forced by occupation or violence to have sex with men in order to somehow 'prevent' violence? Are you just completely unwilling to read the research done on rapists?

Ugh.

No, I was suggesting basically the same thing women has been doing to men since the dawn of humans.
Actual councilors work worth with males to whip them into shape for what women would want and expect out of a male.
Consider it domestic training, except the women get paid for it.

And as I said in my last post, the women wouldn't have to have sex with the men if they didn't want too, its more like that carrot to get the men in to help them learn the tools that will enable them to help them selves, and when the councilor feels it may be needed then she may try and alleviate his frustrations, or use it as a reward, which ever she sees fit. just because the males come in for counseling is no grantee they are going to get laid, far from it.

As for

I cant answer that, because I can't speak for all men.

I know you think that your plan seems like a reasonable solution to a mounting and dangerous problem but you totally fail to see how women really should NOT be required to put themselves out in this way.


Today is International Women's Day

and yet we've spent all this time discussing how to please and placate men.


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Its like any job, you can take it or leave it or quit, as long as you know what to expect in taking that job before hand.

AspergianMutantt: If that's how you think jobs work in this economy or any economy, you have not been paying attention.

I find your suggestions insulting, ignorant and repulsive.

I suggest blow up dolls.

Now, what the thread is about again?

Then nor have you. your only thinking within your own box.

Let me help you see another side of things, I am not saying this is whats true of all men, I am not all men.

I am not ignorant of other mens violence, I been vary abused even raped.

When I was raped I was still a virgin, even worse women didn't even notice me., for nearly a decade after I was still a virgin with woman, but in the mean while gay men hit on me left and right. my ego was shattered, but because it got shattered women didn't want me, I wasn't confident enough, when thats what I felt I needed to heal. I didn't understand or know what women wanted because I seem to lack that instinctual intuition, while I hungered for their touch and acceptance, and that family of my own. simple counseling wouldn't have worked, I needed that touch, that acceptance that would help me once again feel human. while I seen many women go through such things yet find that support, and its oh so easy for women to get into relationships or to get held by someone. I could have really used that support and domestic training, that help, that acceptance. and if such things would have helped me, they why not other men even though they have their own issues to contend with. but all i met with is societies distrust of men, like i was all the bad apples wrapped into one, when I just wanted that acceptance and to feel human.

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Aspergian Mutantt: The "box" I'm thinking in is the one with actual information about the way rapists behave, the power dynamics of society, the way rape victims behave and generally the one with more than just my personal experience, which also includes rape.

I am not accusing you of being ignorant of violence and sexual violence. I am accusing you of attempting to off source your experiences to society, when they ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WAY THINGS WORK, AND WILL NOT RESULT IN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING THEY WILL.

On a personal note, as someone who experienced sexual violence, if I had tried to make it someone else's problem to "make me" feel human again, I'd still feel less than human. The flat fact is that no one can "fix" you for you. It's YOUR responsibility to deal with your feelings, not women in general's job to "fix" your feelings on the subject, nor is it women's job to "fix" men.

Fix your own damn self and quit trying to blame everyone else for your problems.

Your ignorance just made my point to those whom understand. enough said.

AspergianMutantt: And yours has made my case over and over, for pages. Several people have tried to tell you this, and you've ignored us all.

It might occur to you at some point that what you think is happening here.... is not happening.

Men and women are not built the same, they have different needs, there is no such thing as equality,

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