Do racial preferences make you a racist?

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I've seen quite a few Chinese women that were rather attractive. A fair few middle-easterners too. Not so many darker skinned people though, Freema Agyman is the first that comes to mind.

I knew it! I knew you would come up with the Third Reich Thank you for being that predictable. German culture is more than just 12 years. Germanic tribes and culture have been around before Christianisation happened and you just managed to reduce it to the Thrid Reich like so many people unfortunately do. If you wouldn’t associate Germany with the Third Reich you would be able to see that there is a lot of interesting stuff and beauty in our culture.
Besides that I am not 90 years old in case you thought so. The German culture I grew up with was nothing like the one my great grandparents and grandparents on my father’s side had to grow up with.
[And no, I didn't need nor want to be educated by you and you probably know that. I am a history nerd I know my s**t.]

Growing up in the 90ies I’ve never been told that blacks were unattractive or I shouldn’t seek out relationships with black people. I’ve been taught all humans are equal in worth and should have the same opportunity. Yeah, pretty ignorant white culture I grew up with there. I totally see that now....

Actually the thing that was completely toxic that I’ve been told constantly in school and by society growing up was this:” We are evil and guilty. We should feel shame for being Germans. Everyone else is innocent only we are evil and we owe everyone something.“ I already knew it was rubbish when I was a kid. You would probably agree with this though. If I just believed what I was told I would hate my ethnicity now just like you do; A white person against white cultures.

That you think that what I say is somehow common in my country also tells me that you a) didn’t really read what I wrote in my first post and b) that you don’t know 21st century Germany.
I get called a racist for not being attracted to blacks in Germany by Germans. And I talked to some people in private about that who told me that they aren’t attracted to black people either but wouldn’t ever dare to say it because they are too scared of getting labelled a racist by society just for that. They feel highly uncomfortable when approached by a black person because only a ‘No’ without further explanation could lead to the suspicion that they were somehow racist. And it does. I had a black guy throwing a tantrum and screaming Nazi and racist at me in public because I didn’t want to date him and declined by only saying “Thanks but no thanks.” Nothing more than that.

Wrong. I do a lot of critical thinking, I am extremely skeptical and I question nearly everything, myself included, especially when it comes to politics. That's why my standpoints often seem to be unpopular or controversial.
You on the other hand seem to be more of a conformist who absorbs what has been told to her and what is popular without questions asked than I do actually.

I deem second-hand embarrassment to be illogical and irrational. Pity is just as useless.



You couldn’t provide any evidence of my culture somehow brainwashing me - not folks in a retirement home or skeletons six feet under- by telling me blacks are unattractive either. You are doing the same f**king thing just arguing for another position. If you were objective, you wouldn't use words as "gross" "embarassing", "idiotic" ..... You would observe but not judge based on your emotions and feelings. Sorry to break that to you but that is emotional and not objective.
I’ve watched the video by the way and it acknowledges that pheromones and biochemistry play an important role but certain other factors do as well. It was kind of interesting but nowhere did it say :”White peoples demonic cultures told them to not be attracted to black people and not being attracted to someone is racist.”
So where does it back up your “society and ignorant white cultures are to blame and everyone who isn't attracted to [insert random race] is a racist” theory? It really doesn’t. Aesthetic preferences someone developed not being necessarily entirely "hardwired" by birth doesn't make them racist. And those preferences and biochemical attraction aren't the same as well. But they go hand in hand when it comes to seeking out a partner. You have to be attractedto and would probably want to look at your partner and think of him/her as aesthetic.
How someone else developed their sense of aesthetic is something you can't know and what appeals to a person is highly subjective.

I didn't say people can choose who they find attractive....but someones race isn't really 'who they are' I simply don't think there is any biological mechanism that makes a person only find their own race attractive. Yes there are visual similarities between people of any given ethnic group, even so each individual will have their own appearance. I do not think biological mechanism tells someone 'everyone of this race is not attractive to you.' If it so happens everyone someone is attracted to is of the same race no big deal but if someone is actually thinking 'I cant find people of so and so race attractive because biology.' that is where I have to call B.S. Usually people will randomly find other people attractive, it is quite possible they very well could see someone of another ethnicity they see as attractive. I am not saying you have to seek out someone of another ethnicity to have a relationship with to be politically correct. If ones only reason for not dating someone is their race then yes that seems a bit more racist than not.

Also I still don't see gender and ethnicity as being even close to the same thing.

I also never said anything about brain washing, however there are archaic cultural norms in different cultures which implicate one should breed with their own, thus I think its more a socially influenced idea than some biological apprehension for finding someone of a different ethnicity attractive or not.

It is better to claim you're unnattracted to a specific person than claim because you weren't attracted to someone of a particular ethnicity that means it would be the case with everyone of that ethnicity. Maybe it is more thinking in absolutes about a somewhat sensitive subject than malicious purposeful racism...but either way it seems flawed.

Yes, I feel emotions, therefore my logic and evidence must be unsound. What a compelling argument you have there.

I never asserted that evidence proved that culture dictates attraction, just that it can be an influence and therefore we cannot say that what we find aethetically pleasing is hardwired like sexual orientation and cannot be altered by our choices. Nothing you have said has disproven that, including your strawmen and misinterpretations of my argument (I never said, though you put it in quotes as if I did, that "society and ignorant white cultures are to blame and everyone who isn't attracted to [insert random race] is a racist".) I'm not going to bother arguing with you further because there is no point if you are not going to argue honestly and are just going to make up things that I didn't say and argue against those made up points. It is a waste of my time to try to reason with someone who isn't even arguing with my points but is instead arguing with imaginary arguments in their head that I never made.

If you truly believe it's not racist to have racial preferences in dating then continue believing that and be happy thinking white people are more attractive than other races if that is what makes you happy. Just don't expect other people to understand except other people who similarly think that only white people are attractive and worth dating. I'm sure you can find lots of other white people who feel similarly to you to hang out with and date.

I like it when a woman looks like a woman; I don't care what race she is.

i am torn between staying out of this thread (to avoid digging my grave deeper) and answering you.

it is all asians that have that smell to me. not just the women. it is not a strong smell. it is just like the smell you get when you go into an asian restaurant. it's a "chinesey" smell.

it's like what people eat mainly, seems to be absorbed into their system and emanate as a scent through their pores. like someone who eats garlic a lot smells like garlic not from their breath, but from their pores of their skin.

but i do not dislike the smell, it is just a smell, that when one gets close, starts to dominate the sensorium and is not conducive to arousal.
that was all i was saying.

god i know the racism in the past was hilariously stupid. like the idea that black people could not sleep on white sheets for even one night without staining them, and when white people adopted black orphans, the first thing they did was try to scrub the dirt off them.
i think in personality terms, asians are the most well behaved people.
i think in musical terms, negros are the life and soul that was infused into music that gives us most music we have today. before their invention of jazz, it was all waltzy type of boring stuff.

to the face of boo, i can not smell hummus. it seems like a tasteless spread to me. i do like the look of lebanese girls too. i am attracted to some of them.

and to try to dispel the reputation i have for being mean and small minded, i donate $20 each month to the red cross, the salvation army, the world wildlife fund, the humane society, the unhcr and i sponsor a little boy in somalia.
tammy writes to him and i pay the bills.

i was not trying to say in my posts who i would prefer to have as friends or to live among.
i was only talking about sexual attraction, and i must say i have very little to no interest in sex anyway.

I had sex with asian women of various nationalities and I am quite sure they don't smell anything in particular.

But hey.... what do I know,
I probably smell like kebab to Whites.

so that's all you got from that huh?
and thanks for reminding me that kebabs are in existence, because i will now go and get one for dinner at the kebab place down the road.

a beef kebab with the lot, and extra purple onions and no tabouli, and with hot chilli sauce and garlic sauce.

YUMMMM!! ! (but i'm not gay, just hungry)

I wonder if we have a baby, what would he/she smells to b9?

Soy kebab?

if i leave you out of the equation because you smell like hummus and that doesn't smell like anything, then i would have to say soy milk.
that was a joke.

there is so much sensitivity these days in people that it makes me think they are weak.
how can other people's attitudes ever affect you?
like racism, sexism, ageism, ableism, and homophobia and xenophobia and bigotry and all this s**t that is so unimportant.

people these days have to tread on egg shells so they say the "proper thing", and that stifles individualism and self identity to the max.

in australia, not only have we banned christmas carols and religious teachings in schools, we also are talking about genderism at primary schools for gods sake and the address "good morning boys and girls" is now "good morning children"

they are going on about whether girls should wear skirts and boys should wear shorts and stuff because it is gender specific.

so how do you dress a child in neither trousers or a dress?

it's all insane to my mind and everyone is running around eating the insides of their cheeks out in angst over what "sleight" they can sift out of anything that is said to them.

The United States is trying to become a politically correct hell and this toxic far-leftism is spilling over into our culture as well.

I do believe in recent times Australia has suffered an 'Americanization' of our culture of some sort, where all the worst aspects of the United States politically, economically, socially and culturally may now very well apply here.

Middle-aged and older Aussies aged about 40 and beyond are generally the last bastion of hope that has maintained Australia's individual culture and what has kept Australia, well, Australian, in stark contrast to the Americanized young liberal Aussies of today.

Even if Australia is still quite an amazing country, what I believe to be one of the best in the world, I feel it is the 'calm before the storm' before this nation collapses.

What people who praise Australia for so spectacular and amazing it is fail to take two things into account:

1. We're a relatively young country and haven't been around long enough to see just how terrible we can get.

You could say the United States was quite a decent country in the Baby Boomer's time (1940-1960), but look at it today. Whether you believe it's become a better place or not is up to you. Personally I think it's at one of its lower points in history.

2. We still have a pretty dark past. Some of it's been revealed of course, especially the big racism issues, but not everything was exposed to the public and plenty of things that were covered up then are still being discovered and debunked today.

I don't agree with your assessment of the US. You should come and visit some time.

Your impressions are based on what is presented in the media, and "reality shows."

And sociological "studies" which don't take into account the real experiences of people.

The two candidates running for President do not represent a majority of Americans.

It's bad for a person to isolate one's self. Erroneous impressions are inevitable if you don't actually leave your immediate area, and actually see other parts of your city.

I'm not going to press the University idea this time.

It is by definition not racist so I don't have to believe anything.

And I’ve said that I am attracted to whites and East Asians but am not attracted to Sub-Saharan Africans. Man, while you accuse me of misinterpreting stuff and useing strawmen you are doing exactly that.

Good point.

It's a battle each and every day for me to convince myself 'internet culture' is, for the most part, a complete lie, and a lot of my pre-conceived notions are all in my head and limited to my own perception of things.

The anxiety causes isolation, the isolation causes my depression, the isolation and depression both cause erroneous impressions, and the erroneous impressions cause the isolation and depression. It's an endless cycle I'm trying to break-out of.

I don't deny I'm biased. I think we all are in some ways.

University? Maybe. There's still time to get an application in to begin Jan next year. The 'Open Day' is in a week. Still not sure if I'm ready yet, though.

As of this time however I am looking into multiple volunteering positions at a few different places, including library and food bank; and looking into shorter courses in the area to do. And also looking for disability support services and groups I can access to help me meet other people in their local classes/social groups or help with life skills like living alone, etc.

Outrider, have you considered a skilled trades college? The courses are generally shorter than a university course and they can save you from thousands in debt.

Then why are they running?

Then again, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Look at the awful prime ministers we've had.Me too. For a while Youtube had me believing that in a few years society would be fully controlled by SJWs.

Not true. As Youtube only shows the worst cases this is selection bias. Like the 6 o'clock news they get ratings through sensationalism. If Youtubers keep us scared they'll get more views. Controversy sells so you get better ratings by making your viewers angry than by making them happy.