Women, are you attracted to muscular guys?

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I thought I should be nice and vote for something, but the truth is....I don't have a type. Not physically, certainly.

I don't know what it is then...told I'm too clingy, so I initiate less and then get forgotten about. I'm never outright mean or pissy to other people in my day to day life, always trying to give off a confident and laid back and easy going appearance. And yet no one ever gives me any kind of helpful advice, just the same old bs. 'You're not my type', 'you just haven't found the right girl', etc. etc. No one can admit appearance and money and status plays a much larger part than personality or temperament.

Social life is probably the most important factor too.

It wouldn't ruin the industry entirely, but it would weed out the people who go to the gym purely to increase attractiveness vs. those who do it for health and fitness.

Those who do still care about health and fitness would still do all that. I would still do all that. I'd still contribute to the industry.

There's a lot of people who lift weights purely to be better looking.

Without the industry constantly pushing such harsh beauty standards on both men and women, the only people that would try to look more exceptional and super amazing physically from head to toe are those that want to get an edge over everyone else and have the diligence to do so (though then again everyone wanting an advantage could just result in most people still putting excessive effort into looks and superficial appearance, but that's another story).

None of the above. Degree of muscularity isn't even a factor.

What about overall health and fitness?

It's very surprising to hear from some women here they actually don't care about body type at all.

I'd rather have a nice body, average face and average personality, than an out of shape body but better than average personality. But apparently the out of shape guy always wins.

Are all of these men are completely equal in attractiveness if they all had a good personality, took care of their appearance, equal height, dressed what you as a woman consider nice, was hardworking, friendly, what you personally consider funny, you like being around him, and had a pleasant looking face?



Sometimes, I honestly wish more girls and women were more shallow and cared about looks the way us men seem to. Physical appearance can be changed and improved, including face to an extent. Personality can be, but is more innate and even been found to be partly genetic.

People can't express their personality, it's looks that people see first. You only really discover someone's personality and character once you get to know them, which takes anywhere from 6 months to several years.

I hear some girls and women say they might not be physically attracted to a guy at first and maybe even find his body unattractive, but will find his body attractive once she develops emotional feelings for him.

I honestly would be saddened if she wasn't attracted to me physically or even found me ugly in the beginning.

How nice does that sound? To know your partner thought you were an ugly, repulsive mug when you first met them, and the only reason they like your body now is because the chemicals in their brain called 'love' has blinded them.

Research has shown when people are in 'love' their brain underestimates negatives qualities and overestimates positive qualities, and you'll be attracted to them no matter what they look like. Love really is blind.

Yes, this is actually someone wishing girls and women were more shallow.

Maybe I'm not the only one, a lot of us Aspie males have struggled to make friends, talk to women or make social connections, we may have struggled with relationships due to our lack of social skills.

So, for some of us, we almost must use looks to gain leverage, because our 'character' and 'personality' or lack thereof aren't sufficient enough to gain any attention from women at all, let alone end up on a date with one.

Plenty of aspie men here are friendly, good and caring people.

But I see some women say 'niceness' is 'boring' and the 'bare minimum' of what a guy can be and 'if niceness is your only redeeming quality, you must be a very boring person'.

Well, not everyone can be or actually wants to be super funny, extraverted, confident, charming etc.

Some people just want to be fit and healthy, yet 'nice' and a good listener.

At this point, maybe the key is to use online dating and Tinder and if you're rejected, say you want to only be their friend and do that - only be their friend.

Get to know a ridiculously high amount of them, and actually be their friend. Spend time with them in purely platonic activities, and make sure she is 100% aware they aren't dates.

Do this, make 25 female friends, be friends with all of them for 2-6 years, and see if you get lucky and one falls for you.

#1 for me is intelligence. #2 is occupation-- not about wealth as much as whether the occupation is something interesting to me and/or a field that I value. Tied for #3 are cares about me (as much as I care about him) and treats me well/with respect. I need all three.

People need to stop treating themselves as if they are things. I don' miss religion, but I do miss the perspective that we are more than players in a game we didn't start. If some time traveller came here from the eighties, they'd think the world had turned into one giant mental hospital, 'cause it's not just autistic people who are acting obsessive.

It's the joylessness that gets to me.

A relationship won't happen if she found you repulsive.

Fair enough. What are some other traits that women find attractive in guys?

Oh wait, you answered my question before I asked it

That went ignored but I think it's a spot on comment.

I dunno, there was a very quickly great change in society and people in the last few years. I recall well like 4 years ago, I had no trouble to have conversation in places like the gym, with women and men alike - not much effort was made, it was just natural ; like getting into treadmill and the next person says hello or good evening or I say hello, and things go in flow. There were a lot of side chats between people back then.

But in the past 2 years, there's almost none of them, everyone is either putting earphones or talking on phones, or ...even if they're not preoccupied with a device they don't salute anyone anymore - and I have been observing lately: no one is talking with any other, except the trainers with trainees.

I'm doomed!

I wish I could advocate giving up the ghost, because you are doomed.

But you are not doomed, my friend.

At least you've kept up your sense of humor.

I'm into super buff chicks, the kind that can throw me onto the bed and dominate me.

They'd all be competitive if they had the above, especially everyone not on the far ends (A and I) of the bell-curve.

For me personally as someone who prefers the "natural muscle" look, the best body types on a guy to look at are F or a G/H with decent amounts of muscle behind the fat. But "good personality, witty, takes care of themself, attractive face, taller than me" is enough to attract most girls who are interested in men.