Claims that a few "super hot men" are hogging all the women

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As I said, actions (and reactions) are louder than words.

"Women set some threshold of physical attractivity (likely dependent of their own)" vs "Only the super hot guys attract women"

Nope, it doesn't mean the same.
Typically, an average woman is interested in average men.
With an exception of dating sites. People there seem to expect... I don't really know what but it's usually unreasonable.

The study does not show that looks outweigh personality. It shows that men who are too unattractive in looks will not be considered as potential dates. It does not show that men who are too unattractive in personality will be considered as dates.
In reality looks will of course be used as a first filter because you inevitably know someones looks before you know their personality. The relative importance is hard to asses because looks and personality don't have the same unit of measurement - if you can say at all what their unit of measurement is.

They used the categories "attractive", "moderately attractive" and "unattractive" for physical appearance. While I haven't seen the photos, it suggests that some were supposed to be bad looking.
For personality they had:

Here we have only positive personality traits, no negative ones.
So we're comparing positive, neutral and negative looks to positive, a little less positive and a little less positive but still positive personality traits. Additionally the personality traits are very vague, unlike pictures that actually show you how someone looks like. I don't see much difference between "respectful, trustworthy and honest" and "friendly, dependable and mature". "having a pleasing disposition and being ambitious and intelligent" is different to the other two, but also generally seen as positive and not mutually exclusive. Upon first impression I'd not have had an easy time to order them according to which is best, in the middle or worst. I haven't seen the pictures but I deem it likely that they'd have been much easier to order.

I have no doubt that a lot of women who claim that looks don't matter to them at all are in denial or lying. That doesn't change the fact that this study is utter garbage and, if you don't already have an opinion you are willing to support with any evidence no matter how flawed, you can't conclude a whole lot from it.

I agree with most of this. What I would add is whether women are using the apps for hookups or relationships, they can afford to be more picky with the men they interact with, based in the fact that there are more men and also probably because the men tend to initiate rather than the other way around.


Sure, but as I said above, when you have more choice, you can afford to be more picky, and whether you're looking for a hook-up or relationship online, looks is going to be the first thing being judged as you can't get much of a taste for someone's personality and such until you talk to them. Maybe you can judge the small paragraph about themselves too but that's unlikely to make you overlook their looks if you don't find them attractive, even more so than in real life because there are so many other guys to choose from online.


"Generally more desirable" is a clearer way to put it.


I guess I could have been more clear with that.

Anyway, there's definitely a hierarchy of desirability. It's not absolute, but it can help us predict and understand the winners and losers in love. By understanding where the undesirable fall short in comparison to the desirable, the undesirable can fathom what they could do to improve their chances of attracting a partner.

Sorry, I can't resist...I like his bare little banana butt at the end of the bottom one.

i saw some confused claim that propaganda is nature?

(((because you're worth it???)))

to quote Dr McCoy from Star trek..."it's worse than that Jim"
The reality is girls have multiple filters before they even consider personality
Race
Culture
Clothes
Appearance comes in at number 4, a good look man with a jewish skull cap or muslim garb would be automatically deleted from consideration without assessment of looks.

A really good looking black man would illicit fear first in the average white girl before there's any thought about the person underneath

ROLF! Nice one

Self-proclaimed batchelor here, a "volcel" as such. I quit the "game" a few years ago, after realising my litany of destructive relationships was caused by my empathic issues. I find "Incels" incredibly pathetic, the leftovers of traditional male domination trying to play the victim for sympathy.

On that subject
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH5ay10RTGY

Generally those are also things you are bound to notice before you notice personality. If someone doesn't bother to get to know you, they won't notice your personality. If someone gets to know someone by circumstances and not by making a choice to want to get to know them, people may consider someone as a prospective partner they would instantly reject on a dating site. But of course that is limited.
It doesn't mean that someone can't be rejected based on personality, even though she likes his race, culture, clothes and appearance. But personality couldn't even be the first filter applied, because it can't be the first thing noticed - I'm not trying to claim that it would be the most important otherwise.

I also doubt that the ordering is universally true. There are definitely people I'd instantly delete from consideration based on culture but there's no race that automatically instills fear in me. I'd not want to date a guy with jewish skull cap or muslim garb, but, while I may find some races on average more attractive than others, there's not one I'd exclude solely based on race (I'd exclude a higher percentage of some races than others from consideration but that is because it is correlated with attractiveness (or rather with how many percent of that race I subjectively find attractive) and culture).

I also see race as more similar to attractiveness and culture as more similar to personality when it comes to why it is relevant for a relationship.
Like personality, culture affects how people treat you, what they expect of you and if you share morals, worldviews, interests and opinions on how to raise your children should you have any.
To stay with the example of jewish skull cap or muslim garb, I'd simply not consider them as potential relationship partners because they're likely very religious, probably creationists and would probably expect me to convert to their religion if we were in a relationship. I'm an atheist, have a degree in biology and no interest in pretending to be a creationist and in basing my life on religious values I do not share. I'd not date a christian fundamentalist for the same reasons.

This is one of the most sigworthy lines I've read in months.

They do more than that sometimes----they become the perpetrators of violence.

Personality requires TIME to properly determine while the other stuff are instantly assessed.