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Due respect what evidence do you have?

Shaner's evidence is the incidence and persistence of schizophrenia. Fitness indicators as a form of sexual advertising are also a natural consequence of evolution when their benefits outweigh their costs.

This pretty schizophrenic I'm talking about doesn’t have any difficulty getting sex. ...

I'm not disputing that freedom to be with more attractive people, nor did I say that sexual selection is the root cause of suffering in general, nor do I suggest that it should be abolished altogether. But there may be other ways to remedy the pain that results from it. Oceans cause rain, but we need not dry up the oceans; we may build shelters. Similarly, we may find ways to minimize the pain of rejection that don't interfere with sexual selection itself.



There is something about my essay that I think may have bothered you: my decision to call the selection process cruel and selfish. I want to make it clear to some of my readers that it's not a clean, painless process and that I understand about the heartbreak and suffering that result from it. I acknowledge the obvious benefits of the process (fifth paragraph), but if I didn't add these words, I might've looked like Hitler to these people. But I'm open to your suggestions.

After I skipped work one day, I had a nightmare. I met my old high school crush, and we hugged. I embraced her more and she fell over, as if by fainting. When she stood up, she started punching me. I felt extreme pain in my heart later in the dream when I looked in a mirror, and this heart pain remained when I awoke. I was so nauseated that I couldn't go to school that day, and I nearly retched. A few months later I began retching every day, and I have been for about one and a half years now. You're hearing this from a 24-year-old virgin who has understood how sexual selection works for a long time.

Having experienced both rape and some pretty severe coersion, I have a less than sympathetic outlook on your experiences.

I am not going to trade war stories about who'se experiences left them more scarred.

Yes, rejection causes pain. I think it's worth it. I think "raising public awareness" about it could have some pretty sick consequences.

Let's actually discuss the issue at hand; what form of "shelters" do you think would be useful?

don't know yet. I was saying earlier that we could give certain privileges to people selected against. But that's just an idea. There are plenty of possibilities.

Besides, what's the difference between spending money on dinners and paying for sex directly? Minimal, if any!

I already discovered one of the possibilities in 2005: escort services.

Oh, I know. I just want my first sexual experience to be with a girl who likes me for who I am.

I just looked it over more carefully, I fit about 20 of them already and I've never been in a real relationship before. This could be why.

And after that you don't care?

18,19,37,39,42,48,50,57,60,73,91,92,93,104,107,110,129,131,137,

I'm screwed according to that.

"no friends" "his house is a sty" etc

Unfixable. I don't think I will ever have friends.

I already discovered one of the possibilities in 2005: escort services. If you have enough money, can treat a woman with respect, and like to have fun, an escort will do wonders for you. Natural selection discriminated against me ever since I hit puberty. Free girls (a term I use to differentiate them from escorts) avoided me like the plague. But escorts were very warm and friendly, and they "took care of me" very well. Yeah, it costs money, but it is a way for undesirable males to get sex. Besides, what's the difference between spending money on dinners and paying for sex directly? Minimal, if any!

There is already a prostitution thread in the adults forum