01 Feb 2009, 8:57 am
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01 Feb 2009, 11:18 am
BellaDonna wrote:
You don't want to become a woman. They get it hard.
only if we are lucky, BD! 
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01 Feb 2009, 1:27 pm
01 Feb 2009, 1:32 pm
Haliphron wrote:
Zee: Concerning the 1st paragraph I really DONT think that social movements have the power to change men judging women on their appearance. Its become abundantly clear that such judgement is neurologically hardwired because there IS a correlation between physical beauty and genetic health. Men are expected to have good social skills and be financially stable, they're also expected to make the frist move when it comes to meeting women. But Im not going to whine and rant about that because women too are *wired* to want those traits in men and they're not gonna change just cuz some guys dont have them and think that its unfair.
Concerning your first sentence, I think the hippie movement is a good example of how a social movement can change what people consider attractive. If there were more natural women in advertising and the media, I think people's perceptions would change. And I don't see how a woman who modifies her natural body be removing hair, wearing makeup and ill-fitting clothes would appear to be "healthier".
01 Feb 2009, 1:37 pm
MR_BOGAN wrote:
Yeah but women are not forced to shave their legs, wear make-up and high heels. They do it for their own vanity.
I'm not a big fan of make-up because in the long run women end up looking worse because the make-up damages their skin and also I know high heels are bad.
Men are expected to shave their faces and wear suit and tie in the business setting. Whenever I have grown facial hair I have had comments from women saying I look better without it..
Women do not do it for their "own vanity", they do it because it's expected and they don't want to be self-conscious.
Of course you need to dress appropriately in a business setting. But there's a difference in wearing business attire (which women also do) and having to wear heels and makeup and things which modify your appearance in an unhealthy way.
MR_BOGAN wrote:
So you are complaining here about getting treated better then.
The thing is men have to treat women differently than men because women are more sensitive and easier to upset.
No, I want to be treated equally, like one of the guys.
I know plenty of guys who are more sensitive and easier to upset than women. Look at some of the whiners on this thread, for instance.
01 Feb 2009, 1:38 pm
01 Feb 2009, 2:35 pm
zee wrote:
MR_BOGAN wrote:
Yeah but women are not forced to shave their legs, wear make-up and high heels. They do it for their own vanity.
I'm not a big fan of make-up because in the long run women end up looking worse because the make-up damages their skin and also I know high heels are bad.
Men are expected to shave their faces and wear suit and tie in the business setting. Whenever I have grown facial hair I have had comments from women saying I look better without it..
Women do not do it for their "own vanity", they do it because it's expected and they don't want to be self-conscious.
Of course you need to dress appropriately in a business setting. But there's a difference in wearing business attire (which women also do) and having to wear heels and makeup and things which modify your appearance in an unhealthy way.
MR_BOGAN wrote:
So you are complaining here about getting treated better then.
The thing is men have to treat women differently than men because women are more sensitive and easier to upset.
No, I want to be treated equally, like one of the guys.
I know plenty of guys who are more sensitive and easier to upset than women. Look at some of the whiners on this thread, for instance.
We're just sick of the whining women.
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01 Feb 2009, 3:15 pm
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01 Feb 2009, 3:31 pm
zee wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Zee: Concerning the 1st paragraph I really DONT think that social movements have the power to change men judging women on their appearance. Its become abundantly clear that such judgement is neurologically hardwired because there IS a correlation between physical beauty and genetic health. Men are expected to have good social skills and be financially stable, they're also expected to make the frist move when it comes to meeting women. But Im not going to whine and rant about that because women too are *wired* to want those traits in men and they're not gonna change just cuz some guys dont have them and think that its unfair.
Concerning your first sentence, I think the hippie movement is a good example of how a social movement can change what people consider attractive. If there were more natural women in advertising and the media, I think people's perceptions would change. And I don't see how a woman who modifies her natural body be removing hair, wearing makeup and ill-fitting clothes would appear to be "healthier".
You can't change what people find attractive, like what haliphron said it is neurologically hard wired, babies respond better to more attractive people. I agree with you about how their needs to be more natural women in advertising, with the whole super skinny model thing, I believe men are more neurologially attracted to more curvy women.
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01 Feb 2009, 3:55 pm
01 Feb 2009, 4:34 pm
MR_BOGAN wrote:
zee wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Zee: Concerning the 1st paragraph I really DONT think that social movements have the power to change men judging women on their appearance. Its become abundantly clear that such judgement is neurologically hardwired because there IS a correlation between physical beauty and genetic health. Men are expected to have good social skills and be financially stable, they're also expected to make the frist move when it comes to meeting women. But Im not going to whine and rant about that because women too are *wired* to want those traits in men and they're not gonna change just cuz some guys dont have them and think that its unfair.
Concerning your first sentence, I think the hippie movement is a good example of how a social movement can change what people consider attractive. If there were more natural women in advertising and the media, I think people's perceptions would change. And I don't see how a woman who modifies her natural body be removing hair, wearing makeup and ill-fitting clothes would appear to be "healthier".
You can't change what people find attractive, like what haliphron said it is neurologically hard wired, babies respond better to more attractive people. I agree with you about how their needs to be more natural women in advertising, with the whole super skinny model thing, I believe men are more neurologially attracted to more curvy women.
MR_BOGAN is right, zee. Sorry.
Makeup may not necessarily be natural, but just because it isnt "natural" DOES NOT make it a bad thing! Even in the hippie days of the late 60s and early 70s , obese hippies were STILL less desirable than the ones who were buxom but NOT bloated. Get rid of makeup and women will be judged on pure physical appearance. I hope you realize how much of a godsend makeup is for women who arent born with top-notch genes for physical beauty. The radical feminism of the 70s seems to have a socialist slant in its unrealistic goal of making All women equal among each other as well as equal with me. That just isnt gonna happen.
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01 Feb 2009, 4:38 pm
Haliphron wrote:
MR_BOGAN wrote:
zee wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Zee: Concerning the 1st paragraph I really DONT think that social movements have the power to change men judging women on their appearance. Its become abundantly clear that such judgement is neurologically hardwired because there IS a correlation between physical beauty and genetic health. Men are expected to have good social skills and be financially stable, they're also expected to make the frist move when it comes to meeting women. But Im not going to whine and rant about that because women too are *wired* to want those traits in men and they're not gonna change just cuz some guys dont have them and think that its unfair.
Concerning your first sentence, I think the hippie movement is a good example of how a social movement can change what people consider attractive. If there were more natural women in advertising and the media, I think people's perceptions would change. And I don't see how a woman who modifies her natural body be removing hair, wearing makeup and ill-fitting clothes would appear to be "healthier".
You can't change what people find attractive, like what haliphron said it is neurologically hard wired, babies respond better to more attractive people. I agree with you about how their needs to be more natural women in advertising, with the whole super skinny model thing, I believe men are more neurologially attracted to more curvy women.
MR_BOGAN is right, zee. Sorry.
Makeup may not necessarily be natural, but just because it isnt "natural" DOES NOT make it a bad thing! Even in the hippie days of the late 60s and early 70s , obese hippies were STILL less desirable than the ones who were buxom but NOT bloated. Get rid of makeup and women will be judged on pure physical appearance. I hope you realize how much of a godsend makeup is for women who arent born with top-notch genes for physical beauty. The radical feminism of the 70s seems to have a socialist slant in its unrealistic goal of making All women equal among each other as well as equal with me. That just isnt gonna happen.
You're right...I don't get why people have a big thing about things that aren't "natural" being bad. We're an advanced civilisation, amirite?! We can improve things for the better, in all areas of life.
01 Feb 2009, 4:56 pm
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01 Feb 2009, 5:08 pm
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