DataSage’s Alpha Male Guide to Meeting Women (JULY UPDATE!!)

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11 Aug 2007, 10:14 am

Oh, I didn't notice. I just thought the guy was pointedly ignoring her for some reason.


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13 Aug 2007, 10:21 pm

Pandora wrote:
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I would suggest pandora that it is merely because statistically speaking there are more NT's than AS's so a guide to meeting AS's wouldn't be all that appropriate.

Anyhow, I was very interested in this guide. But I am thinking now that I'll wait for a guide designed for AS people, rather than a guide for NT people posted on an AS forum.
Izaak, I think it is only that more males get diagnosed with autism that skews the figures. As it shows up differently in females, doctors are not so likely to look for it in them and tend to diagnose mental illnesses instead. If you took all the people, diagnosed or not, with autism - the ratio I believe would be at least 60/40 male/female and maybe 50/50.

I realise DataSage means well and wants to help people but find it rather repellant that the idea seems to be "scoring" as opposed to setting up proper relationships.


Women have two X chromosomes to defend them from mutation, men have only one. Which explains why there are more males who fall into BOTH the genius and mentally ret*d categories, whereas women are more evenly distributed on the bell curve. (The curve, not the book.)



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15 Aug 2007, 9:05 am

But what if autism wasn't a mutation (remembering that 99% of mutations are lethal and most of the remainder either sterile or short-lived)?


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16 Aug 2007, 12:24 pm

As I read the dialogues in your guide, I couldn't help but wonder which girls would actually be attracted to such a conversation. I know I would walk away from someone who was so rude about trying to force themselves on me verbally. Any girl with a brain knows when a guy is not giving her credit and is trying to dominate the whole conversation. Generally we tell each other to stay away away from guys like them because they only care about themselves, which would be a shame if it was all an act they were doing after reading someone's "guide". I suppose if she's drunk enough, maybe a guy might be successful in hooking up with her for a night but that's as far as it'll go.

If you want to tell AS men to have a little more confidence in themselves, a different approach would be better. I'm an aspie female, and aspie men have had the best luck with me by being my friend first and then becoming more than that. Now I'm married to one.



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16 Aug 2007, 12:25 pm

What're my chances of meeting women at the library?



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16 Aug 2007, 2:49 pm

You're generally not allowed to talk at a library, right? Unless you're at a library like the ones my college had, which were set up to be a social spot. So you could meet them, just not talk to them.



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16 Aug 2007, 4:30 pm

mrsry wrote:
If you want to tell AS men to have a little more confidence in themselves, a different approach would be better. I'm an aspie female, and aspie men have had the best luck with me by being my friend first and then becoming more than that. Now I'm married to one.


You should probably read the OP.



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16 Aug 2007, 4:48 pm

mrsry wrote:
You're generally not allowed to talk at a library, right? Unless you're at a library like the ones my college had, which were set up to be a social spot. So you could meet them, just not talk to them.


What kind of libraries do you go to?

Yeah, you're supposed to be kinda quiet,
but you can certainly talk.

And even if not, there's always footsie. :P



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16 Aug 2007, 6:17 pm

DataSage wrote:
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If you want to tell AS men to have a little more confidence in themselves, a different approach would be better. I'm an aspie female, and aspie men have had the best luck with me by being my friend first and then becoming more than that. Now I'm married to one.


You should probably read the OP.


Um, I did. And that's what I was referring to.



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16 Aug 2007, 6:42 pm

mrsry wrote:
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If you want to tell AS men to have a little more confidence in themselves, a different approach would be better. I'm an aspie female, and aspie men have had the best luck with me by being my friend first and then becoming more than that. Now I'm married to one.


You should probably read the OP.


Um, I did. And that's what I was referring to.


And I was referring to this:

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I'm an aspie female, and aspie men have had the best luck with me by being my friend first and then becoming more than that.


That's fantastic, unfortunately, aspie females are not NTs. The majority of women do not work this way. If you start out as a girl's friend, more likely than not, you're going to stay "just a friend." Unless you try to profess your feelings to her, in which case, you'll be one friend poorer.



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17 Aug 2007, 5:07 am

And for those of us who want shallow
boring people as mates, this is all
very interesting, I'm sure.

I think I'll choose something with
depth, so I don't rip it's head off first.



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17 Aug 2007, 9:06 am

Are NT women supposed to be more gullible than Aspie women? That's the impression I'm getting from this guide.


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17 Aug 2007, 11:10 pm

Pandora wrote:
Are NT women supposed to be more gullible than Aspie women? That's the impression I'm getting from this guide.


This is your AS talking.

NT women are no more gullible than that average aspie. The difference is that they are thinking differently, which I thought was painfully obvious already on a site dedicated to AS.



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19 Aug 2007, 3:42 pm

DataSage wrote:
Pandora wrote:
Are NT women supposed to be more gullible than Aspie women? That's the impression I'm getting from this guide.


This is your AS talking.

NT women are no more gullible than that average aspie. The difference is that they are thinking differently, which I thought was painfully obvious already on a site dedicated to AS.

You have an awful lot of opinions, DataSage, so naturally I'm wondering what you're basing them on. Now I understand you see yourself as God's gift to women, but I was hoping you could humor the agnostics in the crowd. I look at your advice, and first it presumes a vapid, bar-hopping lifestyle, which isn't exactly the norm among aspies. Second, it assumes your blatant smooth act is the most effective strategy for attracting bar-hopping women. Now maybe some women do go for all this, but then again there's no accounting for taste. After all, somebody has got to be buying all those Britney Spears and 'NSync CDs too.

For aspie guys to attract women, all they really need to do is take care of themselves and then go for the women who interest them. With enough practice, fear and awkwardness will be overcome. By the way, if a guy wants to be really nice to the woman he likes, so be it. I know some women have neuroses of self-doubt that make this initially ineffective, but healthy people enjoy treating the people they love exceptionally well.



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19 Aug 2007, 7:44 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
DataSage wrote:
Pandora wrote:
Are NT women supposed to be more gullible than Aspie women? That's the impression I'm getting from this guide.


This is your AS talking.

NT women are no more gullible than that average aspie. The difference is that they are thinking differently, which I thought was painfully obvious already on a site dedicated to AS.

You have an awful lot of opinions, DataSage, so naturally I'm wondering what you're basing them on. Now I understand you see yourself as God's gift to women, but I was hoping you could humor the agnostics in the crowd. I look at your advice, and first it presumes a vapid, bar-hopping lifestyle, which isn't exactly the norm among aspies. Second, it assumes your blatant smooth act is the most effective strategy for attracting bar-hopping women. Now maybe some women do go for all this, but then again there's no accounting for taste. After all, somebody has got to be buying all those Britney Spears and 'NSync CDs too.

For aspie guys to attract women, all they really need to do is take care of themselves and then go for the women who interest them. With enough practice, fear and awkwardness will be overcome. By the way, if a guy wants to be really nice to the woman he likes, so be it. I know some women have neuroses of self-doubt that make this initially ineffective, but healthy people enjoy treating the people they love exceptionally well.


and how does one "go for the women who interest them" if they get dismissed out of hand before it really begins because they have no idea about initial contact, NT mind processes in that situation, body language, NT selection criteria etc...

For all intents and purposes I have a wonderful personality. I am financially successful, steady job, I can dance (ballroom, and swing), love to cook, have an extensive wine collection, quite intelligent, and have a good natured humour (still don't understand that cocky funny though). Tall, reasonable looking (not great but not ugly), and enjoy a wide range of outdoor (and indoor activities.) Eclectic music and art tastes. Have a pretty average fashion sense but I'm not a dork. I am by no means shy and woulnd't think anything of talking to a complete stranger. Most instances I don't really care for it because of the typical AS reasons, but I don't mind the prospect as far as nerves go.

So I don't really have any fear, and I don't think awkwardness is my problem (maybe my blinking tick and my finger stims, but not verbal awkwardness) You'd think it'd be pretty easy to get a date? Nope, don't think so.

So before all you people pick on DataSage for stuff he hasn't even said... could you allow us aspies who actually read the original post and can see some value in it read and debate it's ACTUAL deficiencies and merits?



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19 Aug 2007, 8:52 pm

Izaak, my objections were based upon the
couple of times that I DID read it. And were
only made soon after those readings. Now,
perhaps some changes have been made
since then, which dramatically alter the tenor
of his advise (though from recent criticism I
doubt it), so I've kept my mouth shut. It's annoying
to reread the same thing again and again, hoping that
they've become better.

As to your own situation, it sounds like you should have no
problems, according to his own advice (from what I remember).
You clearly have the ego necessary to get one night stands
regularly. I wonder why it doesn't work for you?