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Should Alex Ban Sexist Opinions from L&D?
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25 Jun 2014, 8:03 pm

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2. What rights does Tarantella have on this forum?


By the virtue of life not being fair and the virtue of myself going to canter's deli.

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That seems to be your clear implication.


How do you derive this? I derive Pastrami on Rye :P

In detail, what do you claim and what is your intended goal exactly?

What is wrong with a group limiting speech if they desire?



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25 Jun 2014, 8:04 pm

starvingartist wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Now then:

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Someone talking about misogyny, not actually an example.


how is this not an example?


I believe he means that the poster (nor anyone else in thread?I've just checked) didn't provide an examples herself. Though, I personally think the evidence is probably suffice.

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No, it does NOT have an impact on their lives.


I don't know?when I see something sour, my mood turns sour. If someone makes a few unjustified generalizations, I might only be a bit annoyed, but blatant misogyny, misandry, and hate of any kind really riles me. It's upsetting. Everything we see and hear has an affect on us?even if it's just the smallest of consequences. This is true even if it's something posted on the Internet by a complete stranger whose opinion shouldn't matter to us. Sure, sometimes we roll our eyes and dismiss a person who just doesn't get it.

But sometimes we ask ourselves, "If that one person thinks that way, how many other people out there in the world think the same thing?" And that can be a frightening thought.



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25 Jun 2014, 8:18 pm

Reticent, I know what you mean and I agree that you can get riled up or pissed off or even hurt feelings from strangers online. However, that same chance is everywhere in life that you will ever go. Do I want people to be nice? Of course I do! Would I ever say something intentionally to hurt somebody else's feelings if I wasn't in an argument or they weren't just an a**hole to begin with, of course I wouldn't! I'd like people on here to enjoy posting here. There are many folks on here who I strongly disagree with on one or several issues but still like and get along with and just avoid that with them because those folks actually get under my skin and then I snap at people for no reason in real life. However, that can happen if I watch the news. It can happen if I hear a conversation at Walmart or the grocery store, or a religious person comes to my door to preach at me or whatever.

Here we know what is up when somebody else flips out over something. Cause we all have our own s**t we go insane over. We can look past that and know that somebody else was just freaking for a minute cause we know what it's like. So if we can't just let the a**holes rage on about how bad women are cause they can't get laid and we can't let the sensitive overboard going people scream that it's ruining their lives, and we can't let the mean old lady (that would be me) b***h at all of them here, then where else can we?


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25 Jun 2014, 8:20 pm

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as you haven't included with your claim links to all the posts in which these things were said to you, i find your claim highly dubious.


*sigh*
Well, I suppose you do need to distract people from that fraudulent list you posted, that multiple people have now looked through and agreed with my conclusions on...

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(just doing dox's job, since he only seems interested in making this point against me even though others are making similar claims of such experiences without linking the posts in which they happened--i'm sure that's merely oversight and not some kind of weird fixation on me.)


Hmm, that's not the first time you've made that accusation against me, and I was even in this thread before you came along, and hadn't even mentioned your name until you showed up. Some people would consider that kind of baseless accusation to be a personal attack.

Also:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6068965.html#6068965
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please cite exactly where i generalised.


Wow, that sure looks like you demanding proof when someone has made a claim about you...

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6068973.html#6068973
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translation: "misdirect, because i can't prove my BS claims about you." got it.


...And that is your response when said citation was not forthcoming. Hmm, accusing someone of a fixation sure seems like an excellent way of misdirecting people from you having had your BS claim fisked to ribbons.

Wow, demanding evidence is actually kind of a habit of yours:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6069075.html#6069075
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6069104.html#6069104
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6084851.html#6084851
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6084864.html#6084864
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6084877.html#6084877
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp6084892.html#6084892
And that's just the two threads I thought of first, I know there are even more examples out there, but I'm not fixated enough to dig them up. Let me guess, its "different" when you do it?

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but yeah, unless you can prove your claim with citations eureka you can't expect us to take you seriously or have any consideration for what you're saying your experience has been. you could just be making it all up because of your feminist agenda. how are we to know without citations? i'm only trying to be fair, here.

:lol:


Hmm, you seem to demand citations when people make claims you don't like, and then mock the entire idea when they're demanded of you...


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25 Jun 2014, 8:21 pm

Dox, I enjoyed your use and type style of the word fixated in the above post.

^5 to you sir!


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25 Jun 2014, 8:26 pm

Oh snap.



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25 Jun 2014, 8:27 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
Dox, I enjoyed your use and type style of the word fixated in the above post.

^5 to you sir!


Well, since there's no sarcasm font yet, I use italics to try and get the inflections of how I talk through in text, like how much I love people making baseless accusations against me, for example. Glad you enjoyed it though, I had fun writing it; hoisting people on their own petards is practically my hobby at this point.


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25 Jun 2014, 8:28 pm

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1. I never claimed any such right.


Why bring up the issue of censorship?


My understanding was that the whole point of changing the TOC was to suppress comments that would make people feel uncomfortable:

starvingartist wrote:
the OP is talking about how she feels her ability to express herself here is limited because she is afraid of saying something that will set off one of the posters


That's a fair argument. So is Dox's counterpoint that over-moderation can do the same thing.



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25 Jun 2014, 8:33 pm

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cubedemon6073 wrote:
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1. I never claimed any such right.


Why bring up the issue of censorship?


My understanding was that the whole point of changing the TOC was to suppress comments that would make people feel uncomfortable:

starvingartist wrote:
the OP is talking about how she feels her ability to express herself here is limited because she is afraid of saying something that will set off one of the posters


That's a fair argument. So is Dox's counterpoint that over-moderation can do the same thing.


We have AS. EVERY FREAKING THING can make us uncomfortable! Ban everything that makes anybody uncomfortable and we are stuck with just FB or watching TV!


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25 Jun 2014, 8:42 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
NobodyKnows wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
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1. I never claimed any such right.


Why bring up the issue of censorship?


My understanding was that the whole point of changing the TOC was to suppress comments that would make people feel uncomfortable:

starvingartist wrote:
the OP is talking about how she feels her ability to express herself here is limited because she is afraid of saying something that will set off one of the posters


That's a fair argument. So is Dox's counterpoint that over-moderation can do the same thing.


We have AS. EVERY FREAKING THING can make us uncomfortable! Ban everything that makes anybody uncomfortable and we are stuck with just FB or watching TV!


Nah, let's go here instead and order a Pastrami on Rye, what ya think. http://www.cantersdeli.com/



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25 Jun 2014, 8:42 pm

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how is this not an example?


You've stated that the forum is full of sexism and that the moderators tolerate it; I asked for examples of that. This is a thread discussing sexism, not an example of sexism, and the thread was locked when it got personal, which is the opposite of being ignored by the mods. It's also only one out of the dozen or so threads that you held up, not counting the repeats.

I also don't need to use my imagination to know what a hostile forum feels like, I experience it myself every time I come here. People here make stupid assumptions about me all day every day and try and troll me because they think they know me or feel justified in doing it, and do you know how I deal with it? I give them enough rope and then drop the trapdoor on them when they've revealed what a**holes they are to the forum at large, because that's far more discrediting than any moderator scolding or censure, as they're denied even the nobility of persecution. If someone refuses to back off, I'll explain the situation to a mod, and if they feel that my concerns are valid, they'll warn the poster in question privately that they're crossing a line, and then move on to corrective action; there's nothing preventing the women of WP from doing the same, no rule change or harassment of Alex required.


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25 Jun 2014, 8:53 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
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cubedemon6073 wrote:
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1. I never claimed any such right.


Why bring up the issue of censorship?


My understanding was that the whole point of changing the TOC was to suppress comments that would make people feel uncomfortable:

starvingartist wrote:
the OP is talking about how she feels her ability to express herself here is limited because she is afraid of saying something that will set off one of the posters


That's a fair argument. So is Dox's counterpoint that over-moderation can do the same thing.


We have AS. EVERY FREAKING THING can make us uncomfortable! Ban everything that makes anybody uncomfortable and we are stuck with just FB or watching TV!


Nah, let's go here instead and order a Pastrami on Rye, what ya think. http://www.cantersdeli.com/


I love pastrami but I can't stand rye. I don't like many specialty breads at all and never for sandwiches. Give me good ole, bad for me, cheap white bread and mayo, brown mustard and cheese with it too please though.

I've always felt that other breads were just dry. You don't notice that with them? Even French bread. It's just DRY.


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25 Jun 2014, 8:54 pm

I like corned beef myself.



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25 Jun 2014, 8:57 pm

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I like corned beef myself.


I do too. The lunch meat and the actual brisket.

One thing I made once (not derailing, just sharing, it's good!) was a casserole with that canned corn beef, which you would think would be horrible. It's not. Cut some potatoes up in the bottom of a casserole dish, put some chopped cabbage over that, then crumble the canned corn beef on top. Pour a can of cream of potato soup over it and cover with foil and bake on about 400 until it's done, say 30 - 45 mins. Yum!


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25 Jun 2014, 8:59 pm

I enjoy the canned corned beef. I enjoy Spam, even (not the computer Spam LOL). I like it all with rice.



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25 Jun 2014, 9:01 pm

I love Spam. I like to slice and fry it and either eat it with eggs or on a sandwich. I kind of sometimes like the off brand Spam, called Treet because it's greasier. I also like fried bologna on a sandwich. It's one of my summer favorites along with thick cut home made fries deep fried in a pot of oil leftover from frying catfish. I don't know why but it doesn't make the fries taste fishy, just seasoned. Not at all fishy.


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