Will I have to become what I hate?
I, too, sometimes fear that I may have to become a douchebag to gain a relationship. I'm 19, never really gotten to "date", but that's only because I've always had strong feelings on the matter, and I kinda wanna meet someone I'll marry and not have a dead-end relationship with. I could barely talk to anyone, let alone girls growing up and now that I'm older and I have some confidence in myself, have little skills and still retain many of my quirks because of the Aspergers. Most of my endeavors have ended in me either embarrassing myself because I went after the wrong person or with me making some sort of mistake or being too quirky for them. I'm probably the ultimate soft, tender-hearted "nice-guy". But, I remember something someone told me once, nice guys may finish last, but they finish. Meaning, they get the girl in the end, and keep her. Keep your head up, maybe try looking in places where these "girls" who enjoy being taken advantage of aren't, like a church or a library.
Church and libraries won't work for me. I grew up going to a church and I didn't make any bonds with any of the girls since the respective genders mostly stuck to their own social circles and I didn't even fully fit in with the male circle. Most religious women in my area want a religious man, even if they are open to pre-marital sex, and still expect the religious guy to have a high paying job, dress like a businessman, and be the life of the party. I've worked at a library for eleven years now and most of the women that come in to check out are elderly and the younger ones tend to already have a boyfriend or husband.
You will have to think about it and decide, but your therapist may have a point. Sometimes we focus on something as a way of avoiding unpleasant and difficult tasks. It's easier to dream and obsess than do the work to make changes in your life. Sometimes we know exactly what we need to do but the tasks to get there are so daunting we will subconsciously find all sorts of reasons to not start.
I think it would be worth your while to do the work it will take to make the difficult change of moving.
Unfortunately, I might lose my therapy soon.
Then how about putting the girlfriend issue aside for now and focusing on getting money and recources to move and then start the search for a partner again in the new location?
How exactly am I misinterpreting that?
If he can’t get the money and resources to move then his search for a gf will be permanently on hold.
The original reply is to fireblsoom so I don’t even get why your replying to me over what someone else lose said.
Just so we're clear: I have not told Markins to give up at any point, I suggested he puts the issue aside until a few other things have been fixed. If Markins was completely unable to fix those things and I knew that, then what I said would've been equal to telling him to give up.
Also, Markins has answered the question and his answer was that he doesn't think it to be impossible even though it'll be hard. So when it comes to him, I consider my advice to be valid. If those things are completely impossible for you then the advice would be invalid had I given it to you, but the thing is that I didn't. I gave the advice to Markins who it might actually work for.
In the past, people would tell me, usually in harsh tones, things like "You don't need a girlfriend!" or even "Girls are trouble!" but it was usually by people already in relationships so that always made me more upset, especially when the depression was truly kicking in. The latter was also a reflection of how sexist the Bible Belt really is and how a lot of men here don't really like women except for sex. They distorted my outlook and made me fearful I would have to become what I didn't want to be. Some would say similar things like what you just told me or to work on myself but my mind always took it wrong before now.
These people sound like 50+ women.
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You will have to think about it and decide, but your therapist may have a point. Sometimes we focus on something as a way of avoiding unpleasant and difficult tasks. It's easier to dream and obsess than do the work to make changes in your life. Sometimes we know exactly what we need to do but the tasks to get there are so daunting we will subconsciously find all sorts of reasons to not start.
I think it would be worth your while to do the work it will take to make the difficult change of moving.
Unfortunately, I might lose my therapy soon.
I hope not.
But if you need us to try and fill in the gaps, let us know. You can send me a pm if you ever want to make sure I see a question or concern specifically, since I'm not on here regularly.
Until then, think about the suggestions I've made.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
You will have to think about it and decide, but your therapist may have a point. Sometimes we focus on something as a way of avoiding unpleasant and difficult tasks. It's easier to dream and obsess than do the work to make changes in your life. Sometimes we know exactly what we need to do but the tasks to get there are so daunting we will subconsciously find all sorts of reasons to not start.
I think it would be worth your while to do the work it will take to make the difficult change of moving.
Unfortunately, I might lose my therapy soon.
I hope not.
But if you need us to try and fill in the gaps, let us know. You can send me a pm if you ever want to make sure I see a question or concern specifically, since I'm not on here regularly.
Until then, think about the suggestions I've made.
I didn't think 2018 was going to start off smoothly but I didn't expect it to be this bad.
You will have to think about it and decide, but your therapist may have a point. Sometimes we focus on something as a way of avoiding unpleasant and difficult tasks. It's easier to dream and obsess than do the work to make changes in your life. Sometimes we know exactly what we need to do but the tasks to get there are so daunting we will subconsciously find all sorts of reasons to not start.
I think it would be worth your while to do the work it will take to make the difficult change of moving.
Unfortunately, I might lose my therapy soon.
I hope not.
But if you need us to try and fill in the gaps, let us know. You can send me a pm if you ever want to make sure I see a question or concern specifically, since I'm not on here regularly.
Until then, think about the suggestions I've made.
I didn't think 2018 was going to start off smoothly but I didn't expect it to be this bad.
I am really, really sorry to read this. Life goes up and down, and I hope it will turn to the up soon. I can't really say more because I don't know the specifics of everything that is going on with you, but I do wish you the best. That doesn't mean there won't be negatives, but there should be enough balance for you to feel you can handle it all, and for you to feel you have the ability to affect positive changes when you most want them. You deserve for life to be good. Believe that.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
You will have to think about it and decide, but your therapist may have a point. Sometimes we focus on something as a way of avoiding unpleasant and difficult tasks. It's easier to dream and obsess than do the work to make changes in your life. Sometimes we know exactly what we need to do but the tasks to get there are so daunting we will subconsciously find all sorts of reasons to not start.
I think it would be worth your while to do the work it will take to make the difficult change of moving.
Unfortunately, I might lose my therapy soon.
I hope not.
But if you need us to try and fill in the gaps, let us know. You can send me a pm if you ever want to make sure I see a question or concern specifically, since I'm not on here regularly.
Until then, think about the suggestions I've made.
I didn't think 2018 was going to start off smoothly but I didn't expect it to be this bad.
I am really, really sorry to read this. Life goes up and down, and I hope it will turn to the up soon. I can't really say more because I don't know the specifics of everything that is going on with you, but I do wish you the best. That doesn't mean there won't be negatives, but there should be enough balance for you to feel you can handle it all, and for you to feel you have the ability to affect positive changes when you most want them. You deserve for life to be good. Believe that.
It's felt like a perpetual down since the end of 2005. I started to become clinically depressed during that time and it's lasted since then. I realized God's "plan" was not happening and that other guys were getting girlfriends as well as carving out their niches while I didn't even date and nothing was going my way at all. It didn't help that my older brother wasn't nice to me, my father cared more about his mistresses than his children, society was (and still is) pushing me to conform, and everyone else was moving forward while I was stuck.
If yiu can become what you hate and what women love do it.
God knows I’d gladly do it if I could. I’d gladly become superficial, work a good paying job, and abuse women if it meant I’d get a gf and be happy. I can’t abuse women(I’m too kind and emotional, I can’t work full time, I’m not superficial, I not s real man at all. So if you can manage to be a real man then do it.
What the hell? Where did I ever once advocate abuse of any kind in this thread or anywhere on this forum for that matter? The point of my thread is that I don't like how men in the culture I live in are pushed to become aggressive jerks and I hate how some women in the Bible Belt actually have told me they hate "nice guys". I see so much confusing messages in my daily life and trying to be authentic is a struggle because of backwards social expectations.
What the hell? Where did I ever once advocate abuse of any kind in this thread or anywhere on this forum for that matter? The point of my thread is that I don't like how men in the culture I live in are pushed to become aggressive jerks and I hate how some women in the Bible Belt actually have told me they hate "nice guys". I see so much confusing messages in my daily life and trying to be authentic is a struggle because of backwards social expectations.
If you want to know what my comment pertains to, look at the comment before it.
What the hell? Where did I ever once advocate abuse of any kind in this thread or anywhere on this forum for that matter? The point of my thread is that I don't like how men in the culture I live in are pushed to become aggressive jerks and I hate how some women in the Bible Belt actually have told me they hate "nice guys". I see so much confusing messages in my daily life and trying to be authentic is a struggle because of backwards social expectations.
If you want to know what my comment pertains to, look at the comment before it.
When you said "everyone here", I thought you were saying everyone who posted in this thread.
I've been under a lot of stress with the new year starting off badly because my therapist told me our sessions might get axed because the state thinks I am not worthy of therapy. A part of me was hoping that this year was going to be better than last year but I fear it won't.
What the hell? Where did I ever once advocate abuse of any kind in this thread or anywhere on this forum for that matter? The point of my thread is that I don't like how men in the culture I live in are pushed to become aggressive jerks and I hate how some women in the Bible Belt actually have told me they hate "nice guys". I see so much confusing messages in my daily life and trying to be authentic is a struggle because of backwards social expectations.
If you want to know what my comment pertains to, look at the comment before it.
When you said "everyone here", I thought you were saying everyone who posted in this thread.
I've been under a lot of stress with the new year starting off badly because my therapist told me our sessions might get axed because the state thinks I am not worthy of therapy. A part of me was hoping that this year was going to be better than last year but I fear it won't.
He was quite clearly promoting abusing women, so I made a joke about how I hope you all get the chance to do that. It was my way of pointing out how messed up his comment was.
Sorry to hear you might be losing your therapist. That sucks. I believe everyone is entitled to health care, including mental health care. I wish you lived in a place where people felt the same and those services were available to you. You deserve to be happy and healthy just like anyone else.
Women seem more attracted to abusive men, probably cause abusvie men are dominant by nature and women love dominant men. The abuse is a bad side effect I suppose.
What the hell? Where did I ever once advocate abuse of any kind in this thread or anywhere on this forum for that matter? The point of my thread is that I don't like how men in the culture I live in are pushed to become aggressive jerks and I hate how some women in the Bible Belt actually have told me they hate "nice guys". I see so much confusing messages in my daily life and trying to be authentic is a struggle because of backwards social expectations.
If you want to know what my comment pertains to, look at the comment before it.
When you said "everyone here", I thought you were saying everyone who posted in this thread.
I've been under a lot of stress with the new year starting off badly because my therapist told me our sessions might get axed because the state thinks I am not worthy of therapy. A part of me was hoping that this year was going to be better than last year but I fear it won't.
She was just joking and meant all men on wp.
I don’t think most aspie men are capable of abusing others. Aspies are more often the victims of abuse.
I certainly couldn’t even if I wanted to, I’m too submissive I wish I wasn’t. I wish I was dominant
