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06 Jan 2019, 4:26 am

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So the lonely guys that been here should post less to be safe?

That's what I've been doing. Intentionally or not, WP is no longer a welcome place for lonely men. I'm not Incel (capital I), I'm a Red Piller. These are different movements; I've even berated Incels (capital I) in my blog posts. I can now see myself getting an official warning, if not an outright ban accompanied by "Come back when you have a girlfriend!"

Long time ago, when this site still had its blue and green color scheme, lonely men's rants were well-tolerated. A few excessive outbursts were suppressed on a case-by-case basis, but nobody was threatened with mass ban. Because of the changes, I already do the bulk of my online posting on an NT-oriented general discussion forum and on my Red Pill blog. The latter gets hairy at times, but I expect it and react to it accordingly; I don't expect such hostility here on WP.

I do wonder what Incels (capital I) want from our site, and what they'd gain from trolling it. Other than the violence, us and them are in the similar situation dating-wise. If they're looking to recruit, I reluctantly admit: XFG might have been right. After all, aspie men aren't ideology recruitment fodder any more than they're marriage fodder.

XFG may not have intended to deter genuinely lonely men from posting, but she was so angry and hostile in that post, that the cat's out of the bag now. To borrow a famous song lyric, "The damage is done, so I guess I'll be leaving."

Nothing in her original post leads me to believe you're in any danger of being warned or banned. No one said you're not welcome here. It's trolls that aren't.

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06 Jan 2019, 5:29 am

envirozentinel wrote:

Aspie1 wrote:

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So the lonely guys that been here should post less to be safe?

Nothing in her original post leads me to believe you're in any danger of being warned or banned. No one said you're not welcome here. It's trolls that aren't.

Actually she did:

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Secondly, I'm quite familiar with both Red Pill/MGTOW, and they both have misogynistic underpinnings that don't belong here. WP has never been dependent of misogyny or misandry for it's survival, and I'm happy to see those who hold such views f_ck-off right outta here.

You've maybe not read Aspie1's older posts but he falls under the category of red pill and mgtow and freely used to post such ideas. There were many arguments.

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06 Jan 2019, 5:45 am

Thanks, Hurtloam.

To be honest I've only recently began familiarizing myself with these movements such as Red pill.

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06 Jan 2019, 8:16 am

Aspie1 wrote:

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So the lonely guys that been here should post less to be safe?

Yeah, I don't particularly care if "red pillers," MGTOW, or whatever decide not to post here anymore. Misogyny isn't high on my list of things I want to see promoted on this site.

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06 Jan 2019, 9:16 am

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"red pillers," MGTOW, or whatever

I fail to see the distinction between those groups. All seem to be about projecting own shortcomings and just plain bad luck on women and/or society.

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06 Jan 2019, 9:50 am

XFilesGeek wrote:

Aspie1 wrote:

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So the lonely guys that been here should post less to be safe?

Yeah, I don't particularly care if "red pillers," MGTOW, or whatever decide not to post here anymore. Misogyny isn't high on my list of things I want to see promoted on this site.

I love how in your mind, "red-pillers", MGTOW etc equal misogyny by default. There's no denying that there are misogynistic elements expressed in certain talking points by certain members of those groups, but to make a blanket statement that it's all just misogyny just isn't fair imo.

I'm not a "red piller" so-to-speak, but certain beliefs I hold cross over with what they espouse. My "Equal Value In Relationships" thread for instance probably crosses over with what some red-pillers believe and espouse, and your comment on it indicated that you agreed with what I had to say more than you disagreed.

As for MGTOW, as far as beliefs, I'm even further away from them, but when they talk about how men can get a raw deal in divorce and especially child custody battles, it's hard to argue with them, because it certainly can be true. I've witnessed first-hand how the system favours the mother over the father in matters relating to child custody. To some men, the risk of being screwed over by divorce courts and family courts is enough for them to decide to stay single, and I would infer that a good number of those men have probably been screwed over in relationships.

I personally don't think it's the right approach to abandon dating because you feel like if a marriage goes south, you'll get a raw deal, but I can understand how another kind of person with different experiences may be drawn to that conclusion. I think it's better to do what you can to ensure that you're with a loyal, quality partner before tying the knot, but then I've never been betrayed by a partner either as I've never even had one.

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06 Jan 2019, 10:06 am

^ In just about every case of Red Rill/MGTOW all I've had to do was poke it with a stick a few times before the misogyny started coming out.

And cultivating attractive traits in order to be attractive is common sense. Whishy-washy "philosophies" from the "Manosphere" aren't needed.

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06 Jan 2019, 10:22 am

envirozentinel wrote:

Nothing in her original post leads me to believe you're in any danger of being warned or banned. No one said you're not welcome here. It's trolls that aren't.

True, and thank you for stepping into this thread. But the way her public notice was worded, any lonely single man was in danger of being called an "Incel troll" or "misogynist", and banned. And she'd be the judge, the jury, and the executioner. So it wouldn't apply just to new members brigading this site to recruit aspies into the Incel ideology. Which, I suppose, was the spirit of the post, rather than the letter of the post. Well, I doubt the actual trolls would be interested in me: I'm an old fart compared to most of them, and sex disgusts me.

It's like Salem, Massachusetts in 1692, where any neighbor who didn't like me could point at me and scream "witch!". And you know what's after that: the kangaroo court trial and the gallows. It's in "The Crucible".

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06 Jan 2019, 10:26 am

lol

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06 Jan 2019, 10:27 am

XFilesGeek wrote:

And cultivating attractive traits in order to be attractive is common sense. Whishy-washy "philosophies" from the "Manosphere" aren't needed.

It's logical, but I'm not sure I'd call it common sense, only because people who are already attractive enough to get partners with relative ease and who've never struggled don't even need to think about it in that way, so when that idea is presented to them, they might not agree or be sold on it purely because they've never needed to look at it in that light, and just figure that pretty much everyone else is like them and has the capacity to get partners.

Incidentally, I wouldn't say my belief system is entirely divorced from the 'manosphere', but I also don't believe I neatly fit into any category like incel, MGTOW, red-pillers, etc. Do you get the impression that if you poked my belief system with a stick that you would uncover misogyny? I personally doubt it but since you seem to think that all things 'manosphere' come packaged with a tinge of misogyny, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts

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06 Jan 2019, 10:34 am

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Here-Here! There are way too many whiney posts here from men who perceive themselves as victims of heartless women, or of societal emphasis placed on equal treatment where they feel slighted. The world is evolving, just look at the newly elected membership of the US House of Representatives, better get use to it fellas.

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06 Jan 2019, 10:35 am

^ No.

I can't really think of any WP users who I would classify as misogynist. This site's nowhere near as toxic as it was a few years ago.

As for you, specifically, I've always found you to be reasonable and grounded.

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06 Jan 2019, 10:35 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:

XFilesGeek wrote:

And cultivating attractive traits in order to be attractive is common sense. Whishy-washy "philosophies" from the "Manosphere" aren't needed.

I don't think you were using the forum when we were getting a lot of red pill posts. They were on the more extreme side.

You're more balanced and are easy to have a conversation with. These guys just hammered and hammered their quoted points, note not their own words, they just regurgitated what they had read.

I suppose they were bad at formulating text in their own words, but thats no excuse. They wouldn't have conversations. And that's no good for a forum. It doesnt lend itself to conversation and advancing ideas and offering help.

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06 Jan 2019, 10:39 am

Aspie1 wrote:

envirozentinel wrote:

Nothing in her original post leads me to believe you're in any danger of being warned or banned. No one said you're not welcome here. It's trolls that aren't.

My wording was an attempt at letting incels know that spreading incel philosophy while simultaneously denying being an incel wasn't going to work.

Incels tend not to be particularly bright, so I wouldn't put it past them to think that strategy would work.

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06 Jan 2019, 11:05 am

It's best to focus on the original post and it's basic instruction; to report anything of a certain nature.
It's not worth looking into it any further than that.

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06 Jan 2019, 11:22 am

XFilesGeek wrote:

If you're going to name and shame people, at least use the correct capitalization. Incel (capital I) are the real demon you're looking for; incel (small I) simply means lonely single men who can't get sex. The former just co-opted the latter's term. Of course, when the word is at the beginning of a sentence, confusion can arise.

I know it's the interwebz, where people play fast and loose with the written word, but just saying.

It'll be a few decades before single men start getting rounded up. For "safety", of course. By then, I'll be a senior citizen, which will put me in a legally protected class or grandfather (ha!) me in under the old laws, thus keeping me safe. Being older can be nice sometimes.

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