Might autistic women not be the best match for autistic men?

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03 Jun 2024, 5:02 pm

I think the problem is more about categorizing people. Autistics are more likely to be asexual than the general population (although it’s still not the majority), but tastes, preferences, and feelings run the gamut. When you’ve been with one (autistic) woman or a couple, you’ve been with one (autistic) woman or a couple. We’re human like anyone else.

Sometimes I see almost a fetishization regarding autistic women here and elsewhere which is concerning considering the high rate of sexual victimization that autistics (and autistic women in particular) experience.

We are all unique individuals. Neurodiversity doesn’t necessarily inform our sexuality. Our preferences and experiences are as complex and varied as other groups of people. Some are asexual. Some desire sex in a romantic relationship. Some are sexual but aromantic, and there’s everything in-between. Preferences aren’t necessarily static either. Describing human sexuality in general terms is a daunting, if not impossible, task. Describing autistic female sexuality is no exception.

Generalizations are an easy way to categorize people, but they are often insufficient if not misleading or downright inaccurate.


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03 Jun 2024, 5:12 pm

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I don't recall whether I stated this earlier, but a high percentage of autistic women have diminished or no sexual or romantic attraction to men due to being either gay or mostly so, or on the asexuality spectrum. However, those who don't fall into that category tend to have a particularly practical approach to sex.



Um, what?
Are you saying autistic women can't love men?

This wasn't about love. It was about sex specifically. Many queer women have little or no desire for sex with men. Autistic or otherwise. As for whether autistic women are any more likely to match that description, I wouldn't know. But I've seen supposed expert content that claims this to be a thing.

TBH it's not an insult to say that any particular woman isn't sexually attracted to men, or vice versa, for that matter. I would also cheerfully accept any convincing data that shows there is no correlation between autism and being queer.



I'm autistic af and I'm not queer. Many autistic women are straight. Also, I know it wasn't about love, but you said even heterosexual autistic women have a "practical" approach to sex. That makes us sound like robots. I think you're forgetting that autistic women can love our male partners just as much as NT women would (or imo, even more deeply because we're less superficial about connections), and that sex with the right person is extremely sensuous for most people on the spectrum.

That's quite the opposite of "practical".


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03 Jun 2024, 5:19 pm

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Generalizations are an easy way to categorize people, but they are often insufficient if not misleading or downright inaccurate.



This.

I also find it demeaning that there are entire threads dedicated to discussion of autistic women's dating, friendship, and sexual choices, written by men. I'm not saying men can't talk about women or talk about their experiences but it's strange that they aren't open to women's input. It's also a double standard because there's no way men would be comfortable with women doing the same.

Imagine:

"Might autistic men not be the best match for us? .... Discuss!"

I think most men would find it hurtful and prejudicial or they'd use it as proof that we hate all men and other assorted nonsense which isn't true.


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03 Jun 2024, 5:29 pm

I started this thread in response to some male participants who seemed to think that the answer to their lack of a love life was to find an autistic partner. I simply wanted to say that might not actually be as effective a strategy as they hoped.

The thread died some time ago, but then somebody (not me) resurrected it. It should have stayed dead.


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03 Jun 2024, 5:35 pm

I'm not trying to hate on you Max. I've seen those threads by lonely men too. Lots of women have responded to those threads but no matter what we say we're told that we're wrong. If we say we like autistic men they don't believe us. If we say it doesn't matter and we choose by overall compatibility they say we only like men with money and six packs (because a man on YouTube said so). If we had the audacity to say no, we don't prefer autistic men (which we don't say), we'd be called misandrists. It's kind of a lose-lose topic because nothing we say to lonely autistic men makes a difference, even when we go out of our way to try to validate and appreciate their emotions.

Yes lots of autistic women might be queer but the same goes with autistic men. I still don't see threads called "Might autistic men not be the best match for autistic women?", intending to show that autistic men might be gay or queer or very practical and robotic in bed.

I can hear the backlash now.


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03 Jun 2024, 5:37 pm

The last person to resurrect this thread was somebody who seemed to feel some animosity towards autistic women. Not sure if anybody noticed.


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03 Jun 2024, 5:47 pm

Yeah, I saw that.
That level of woman-bashing is so common on WP it doesn't even stand out anymore.

Did you happen to call him out for it?


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03 Jun 2024, 5:50 pm

I tend to think neurodiverse people in general are a good match for each other.

ND + ND > ND + NT in terms of relationships, I would say, in general.

It makes sense to be in a relationship with someone who is understanding of neurodiversity without having to explain it all or to constantly remind people of why you are like you are as an ND person.



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03 Jun 2024, 5:51 pm

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Yes lots of autistic women might be queer but the same goes with autistic men. I still don't see threads called "Might autistic men not be the best match for autistic women?", intending to show that autistic men might be gay or queer or very practical and robotic in bed.

I can hear the backlash now.

Women have created accounts on here for the purpose of hating on autistic men. I don't know what gave them the idea they'd be welcomed here.

Some problems may not have solutions. This is a real problem, and it can lead to some tragic outcomes in real life. It's never going to be all Kumbaya.


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03 Jun 2024, 5:54 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Yeah, I saw that.
That level of woman-bashing is so common on WP it doesn't even stand out anymore.

Did you happen to call him out for it?

I may have on some other thread, but I really don't know what to say in such situations. I think other people here are better qualified to do the calling out.


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03 Jun 2024, 6:02 pm

I agree that in the past some people who claim to be women make accounts to spread hate about men. I say they "claim to be women" because really, we don't know anyone's sex or gender on here whether the poster says they're a man or a woman. There have been members attacking just about every demographic in our user base - homophobes, transphobes, racists, misogynists, misandrists, ableists, anti-religious people, etc. Some people even join claiming to be autistic and then spam the place with how awful it is to be autistic because we're likely mass murderers or we lack empathy. Then there's the sex trolls and groomers who want to exploit the user base for our vulnerability and naivete.

It's unbelievable how much crap gets peddled here, but the good thing is that our mods don't allow it to stay. Those members get banned because it's against the rules to attack groups of people for their identity.

I don't see anyone hating on men anymore. I used to call it out all the time to the extent that some women even accused me of being anti-feminist. Eye roll. Trust me, we've heard everything. If we call out misandry we're not real women, or we're likely gay, or we're being political. If we allow misandry (which we don't), then we hate all men which also means we aren't real women.

I do notice a steady influx of woman-bashing and woman-trolling here lately. I'm pretty sure warnings have been given but I'll give it a few more weeks to see if the trend continues.


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03 Jun 2024, 6:11 pm

I suspect that a lot of women have been driven away by the sex trolls, groomers, women have it easier crowd, and bullies over the years. A couple of the sex trolls engaged in overt and then covert bullying with me after I made it clear that I wasn’t interested until they were banned. Not all women would’ve been stubborn enough to stick around through all of that. Even I took at least one break because of it. I bet a lot of people wouldn’t have been comfortable enough to even report some of it.


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03 Jun 2024, 6:18 pm

Yeah. ^ At the time when I was reporting what happened to me I got in touch with a lot of former members. I forget the numbers of female victims they told me about, but it was staggering. If I remember correctly there were at least 30 women's names brought to my attention. They had all left because of unwanted sexual attention and/or grooming from male members. There were even death threats. Then there's your run-of-the-mill trolling like I experienced from that freak who followed me from site to site writing porn stories about me.

Meanwhile I put up with it for .... years (??) when it happened to me, because I knew a bunch of people would be butt-hurt and accuse me of hating all men or being in a conspiracy if I dared to report it.

That's exactly what some buffoons tried to do.


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03 Jun 2024, 6:35 pm

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I bet a lot of people wouldn’t have been comfortable enough to even report some of it.


Right again. Reporting it isn't easy, and not something any victim takes lightly. We've learned the hard way through the school of "real life", where reports of predatory and/or sexist behaviour can be very embarrassing, time-consuming, and victim-blamey. That can even lead to us gaslighting ourselves, if we fall for their rhetoric.

I'm sure most men wouldn't want to share the details of their personal relationships with mods, and many women end up just quitting to avoid the potential humiliation. I'm just really grateful that our mods were as supportive as they were.


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03 Jun 2024, 6:51 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I agree that in the past some people who claim to be women make accounts to spread hate about men. I say they "claim to be women" because really, we don't know anyone's sex or gender on here whether the poster says they're a man or a woman. There have been members attacking just about every demographic in our user base - homophobes, transphobes, racists, misogynists, misandrists, ableists, anti-religious people, etc. Some people even join claiming to be autistic and then spam the place with how awful it is to be autistic because we're likely mass murderers or we lack empathy. Then there's the sex trolls and groomers who want to exploit the user base for our vulnerability and naivete.

It's unbelievable how much crap gets peddled here, but the good thing is that our mods don't allow it to stay. Those members get banned because it's against the rules to attack groups of people for their identity.

I don't see anyone hating on men anymore. I used to call it out all the time to the extent that some women even accused me of being anti-feminist. Eye roll. Trust me, we've heard everything. If we call out misandry we're not real women, or we're likely gay, or we're being political. If we allow misandry (which we don't), then we hate all men which also means we aren't real women.

I do notice a steady influx of woman-bashing and woman-trolling here lately. I'm pretty sure warnings have been given but I'll give it a few more weeks to see if the trend continues.
I remember a bit of that. I'd like to better understand the psychology of where this anger & assumed hatred is coming from. I remember in the past I was very lonely & frustrated about being single & I did not word things very well. I had words put in my mouth so to speak & got accused of saying & supporting some very horrible stuff. When I tried to defend myself I made even less rational sense due to being upset at being accused & that just made things worse. I've seen this happen with various other members as well. I started getting in the habit of posting disclaimers specifically stating that there were lots of exceptions & I did not mean all of blank group was the same. Us Aspies are known for being literal & black & white thinkers & a bit including me are easily triggered sometimes due to past negative experiences. It's no suprise to me that misunderstandings happen & hostility sometimes breaks out. I try to keep in mind that the angry posters are dealing with their own various issues & problems. I also learned that if I'm majorly upset by something it's best to wait a couple days before responding to it. When something seems majorly out of line or suspicious I report the post & let mods deal with it instead of angrily responding. I know from personal experience that using anger to respond to frustration & anger just creates more anger & frustration. I'm NOT talking about you here Isabella. I'm talking more general.


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03 Jun 2024, 7:05 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
I tend to think neurodiverse people in general are a good match for each other.

ND + ND > ND + NT in terms of relationships, I would say, in general.

It makes sense to be in a relationship with someone who is understanding of neurodiversity without having to explain it all or to constantly remind people of why you are like you are as an ND person.


I'm not great with words right now. Still, I'm trying :P

I am more and more of that mindset. Never had a serious relationship with anyone dx'd with autism. Had an autistic fwb, and was nice to have someone get it. Not that nt's can't get it. They can listen, learn, try to understand. Of course. Still, would be nice to have someone get it because they can relate, they live it, whatever. Seems that shared life experience, even if not exactly the same, would mean so much more. Thinking autistic folk are where it's at for me. Is what I'd prefer. Been down the road too many times before where people think I'm lying, or they forget, maybe think they can change me magically. I dunno. Don't care to do that again. Would prefer someone more on my wavelength.