Don't trust ANYTHING women say.

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Nyeh, Im sure there are few of 'em out there(manchild's) but they aint NEARLY as common as infantile women.

I believe zee means well. I believe she has been straight-forward and honest, speaking from the best of her understanding of how the world works.

I believe that understanding is fundamentally flawed.

I don't think she is anywhere near unique in that.

I've met people with a far poorer understanding of men. I don't think the flaws in her understanding relate to her being Aspie, either.

This is a small reflection of a broader debate within Western Civilization at large. Part of that debate is accessible at this link.

I believe that the current expressions of gender and gender role do not work. Conversations like this thread and the link above are evidence of that. I believe it even extends further than that, to a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to be human. It appears to me that in our pursuit of intellect and Enlightenment we have lost track of our own emotional underpinnings. While intellect and knowledge are worthy pursuits, fetish intellectualism ignores or even misconstrues the reality of emotional humans.

I think my head exploded. Again.

I wouldnt be so sure of that Dishman(about zee's allegedly good intentions).....
What I dont understand is why there is such a 'Battle of the Sexes' here on WP .

I am sure. That is sufficient for me, and I am willing to proceed from that belief. You are free to form your own opinion.

I was never a part of this bitching about women. I don't think men are any more logical.

We're all human.

Logic went out the window millennia ago.

Thats true Kezzstar.For the first time I find Myself feeling irked at blanket generalizations about women made by other women in this thread. Because I know plenty of counterexamples. There certainly ARE plenty of things that men and women DO have in common. The desire for sex AND (emotional)intimacy are things that Most PEOPLE want-gay/str8t/man/woman. I am so sick of the BS that men only want sex and that women only want love.

Aah, the Blame Game. The thing is, we're all different. We all have different ways of going about our business. But I think that I can safely conclude that some people (male and female) only want sex, some people (male and female) want loving relationships and others (again, male and female) couldn't give a fast flying.

Blame Game? What I said right there^^ isnt blaming anyone really. But yeah we're all different but most of us in fact tend to want the SAME things-including sex, food, money, and some kind of empathic connection.

Sorry, I was referring to the thread in general, I'm a bit of a lousy communicator.

S'ok. But zee should really GET A CLUE!

Oh geez. lol. I never said women dont want sex. I even contemplated writing that some women love sex more than men, but I thought this was common knowledge and was rushing, so I didn't put that in my post.

What I said was what most women think of guys is they are just in a relationship for sex. And it is true- most men expect sex form a relationship (among other things. It's just true. It's not a bad thing. It's a fact.

Of COURSE women love sex. Most just love it with ONE partner. There's a social stigma of women who sleep with many guys, so if you are a girl you have been conditioned to want sex only from your partner- somone you feel connected to. And you're likely to want LOTS of it.

I'm sure you've run into plenty of girls who have sex with lots of guys OUTSIDE of a relationship- but they aren't nearly as common as women who date lots of guys and have sex all the time with them.

Take Sex and the City for example. Carrie has lots of sex and craves sex, but usally only with the guys she is seeing. Samantha, on the other had, doesn't date- she jsut has sex. She's prolly less common and the Carries of the world are more common.

The only difference here is some men like sex with different women (whoever is pretty enough) and some women like sex with only one man (or whoever she is in a relationship with).

I think I've finally chewed through my thoughts enough to say something worthwhile. I've got a number of points:

1) Humans have emotions.
2) Emotions are not terribly intelligent.
3) All words and actions are evaluated on an emotional basis.
4) Silence and inaction count under point 3.
5) The basis for emotional evaluation can change from moment to moment.
6) The volatility of point 5 depends on the length of history between parties.
7) Some elements of point 5 are not accessible to the conscious mind.
8) Most people enjoy sex under some conditions.
9) Not enjoying sex may indicate a difficulty with the partner, the technique, or a medical condition.
10) Everyone is at least partly wrong in their beliefs.
11) In Western society, there is currently some kind of defect in gender roles such that a great many people are unhappy.
12) Aspies are not alone in having difficulties right now.

That's enough for now.

You really smart

merr, I wasnt referring to your posts. I was actually referring to something zee posted.

You obviously know more about women than women do, so there's no point in trying to convince you otherwise.