I don't want to date poor people

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14 Mar 2011, 2:50 pm

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Great how threads like this remind me that dating is so often just organized prostitution.



that idea merits some more thought :twisted:



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14 Mar 2011, 2:54 pm

See I have a different strata. I date people largely on education. I am kind of like an employer that says "bachelors required, master's preferred". Some people can avoid this, Grisha for example would, he has a "smart" job. But for the most part this is true for me. In general I have dated Ph.D.s, Computer Programmers, guys in graduate schools, and people who have bachelors from more to most selective universities.

The reasons why are simple for me, people without the education are probably not going to mesh well with me.

There is a class effect though as well. I have never dated anybody who was not middle class or upper middle class. The truth is education determines class fairly often in this country.

Also while only 1-5% of the US is "rich" (the definition of this can range), about 15% is upper middle class, and about 30% is lower middle class. The rest being "working class" (30%) and working poor (13%) and below that underclass. What she is saying is she is not intrested in people who are not middle class, it is still a significant chunk of the US population, about 45%.

Most people in the upper-middle have very high educations, considering my educational requirements, I am almost more selective. I am not choosing on class because that can be fluid, but the result can almost always result in a class based outcome, often resulting in the upper-middle.

Whether people like it or not the US is a class based society, we just don't acknowledge it as much. Her prefrences in class and stating them as such is only odd because she is stating them as class based. But the fact is people do this in other ways, there is not as much class based mobility as people think. Peoples prefrences often lean towards a class basis. Its odd in that she is acknowledging the class basis as her primary concern, rather than an eventual outcome. For me it is education and knowledge, while I care less about class, the outcome for me and how I choose partners often have a class outcome. I almost always end up with somebody in the upper-middle class.



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14 Mar 2011, 3:33 pm

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See I have a different strata. I date people largely on education. I am kind of like an employer that says "bachelors required, master's preferred". Some people can avoid this, Grisha for example would, he has a "smart" job. But for the most part this is true for me. In general I have dated Ph.D.s, Computer Programmers, guys in graduate schools, and people who have bachelors from more to most selective universities.

The reasons why are simple for me, people without the education are probably not going to mesh well with me.

There is a class effect though as well. I have never dated anybody who was not middle class or upper middle class. The truth is education determines class fairly often in this country.

Also while only 1-5% of the US is "rich" (the definition of this can range), about 15% is upper middle class, and about 30% is lower middle class. The rest being "working class" (30%) and working poor (13%) and below that underclass. What she is saying is she is not intrested in people who are not middle class, it is still a significant chunk of the US population, about 45%.

Most people in the upper-middle have very high educations, considering my educational requirements, I am almost more selective. I am not choosing on class because that can be fluid, but the result can almost always result in a class based outcome, often resulting in the upper-middle.

Whether people like it or not the US is a class based society, we just don't acknowledge it as much. Her prefrences in class and stating them as such is only odd because she is stating them as class based. But the fact is people do this in other ways, there is not as much class based mobility as people think. Peoples prefrences often lean towards a class basis. Its odd in that she is acknowledging the class basis as her primary concern, rather than an eventual outcome. For me it is education and knowledge, while I care less about class, the outcome for me and how I choose partners often have a class outcome. I almost always end up with somebody in the upper-middle class.


The one thing I've learnt is that education can't guarantee knowledge and a certain degree can't guarantee that someone is wise and intelligent. Someone with master's degree can be really boring, unoriginal and narrow-minded. And some of the most interesting and intelligent people I've met had no degree at all. Yet sometimes their knowledge (even on philosophy, literature and arts) would intimidate me and I have a degree. So I don't pay that much attention to education (a degree) anymore. It's intelligence and an active and beautiful mind that matters to me.



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14 Mar 2011, 3:48 pm

starygrrl wrote:
. But the fact is people do this in other ways, there is not as much class based mobility as people think. .


Which is exactly why you shouldn't naturally assume someone without a university degree is unintelligent or unlearned. If society was a genuine meritocracy where people advanced solely based on their individual character with no other determining environmental factors then you may be correct in writing half the population as potential partners. Personally, i didn't even finish high school and some of the people i know who are graduates are dumb as hell. Doesn't Sarah Palin have a degree from some sort of establishment?



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14 Mar 2011, 4:17 pm

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The one thing I've learnt is that education can't guarantee knowledge and a certain degree can't guarantee that someone is wise and intelligent. Someone with master's degree can be really boring, unoriginal and narrow-minded. And some of the most interesting and intelligent people I've met had no degree at all


I think this is really emphasised in those who then go on into professional fields such as Psychology. Some psychologists I have worked with in the past were so young and naive and lacking in life experiance that they were just not ready for the kind of rigour and accountability that the job expects of them. That is not to say they were "bad people" infact some of them with some experiance in their belt (personal and professional) would probably turn into quite good professionals in time. But at this particularly moment in their 20's they simply were not ready for this line of work because their life experiance as an adult had been University and that was it!

I think in some respects university education should be something you pursue in your mid 20's not something you go into straight from leaving school IMO. Especially if you are entering a field working with human beings in responsible roles.


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14 Mar 2011, 8:46 pm

You people are a bit defensive.

Women all have criteria. Some women's criteria is longer than others. For me education is an easy indicator whether we will get along, its not absolute. I would rather not look look for a needle in a haystack, I would rather look for a needle in a needle stack and pick the needle. The other aspects I can get from dating a person, basically if we share similar likes or dislikes and how well I get along with a person. But education seems to be a good guide about whether or not that will be the case. That is just from my own experience, but dating is a subjective thing you get to pick and choose who you are with. Everybody has standards and things they look for, for me education is pretty important.

What I am saying is dating is kind of like playing statistics. For me finding a person without at least a bachelors degree that will be compatible is much less likely than me finding somebody with a bachelors degree or higher. It is not that I am excluding 50% of the population, but the truth of the matter is that 50% is probably going to be much less compatible with me. So I rather skip the hay to find a needle, and stick to looking through the needle stack.



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14 Mar 2011, 9:07 pm

starygrrl wrote:
You people are a bit defensive.

Women all have criteria. Some women's criteria is longer than others. For me education is an easy indicator whether we will get along, its not absolute. I would rather not look look for a needle in a haystack, I would rather look for a needle in a needle stack and pick the needle. The other aspects I can get from dating a person, basically if we share similar likes or dislikes and how well I get along with a person. But education seems to be a good guide about whether or not that will be the case. That is just from my own experience, but dating is a subjective thing you get to pick and choose who you are with. Everybody has standards and things they look for, for me education is pretty important.

What I am saying is dating is kind of like playing statistics. For me finding a person without at least a bachelors degree that will be compatible is much less likely than me finding somebody with a bachelors degree or higher. It is not that I am excluding 50% of the population, but the truth of the matter is that 50% is probably going to be much less
compatible with me. So I rather skip the hay to find a needle, and stick to looking through the needle stack.


I had someone on OKC reject me flat-out because I didn't have an education, obviously she was WAY too good for me... :roll:



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14 Mar 2011, 9:09 pm

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Something I've noticed:

"Shallow" = Anyone who isn't attracted to me.


This is a fantastic summary of a lot of guys on this site. They say things like "She doesn't like me because im aspergers/poor whatever"

When maybe it's not being shallow, maybe you have an unappealing personality.



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14 Mar 2011, 9:27 pm

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Huge penis.:lol:


now if only you had a good place to park it in, repeatedly and vigorously. :lol:



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14 Mar 2011, 9:28 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Grisha wrote:

Something I've noticed:

"Shallow" = Anyone who isn't attracted to me.


This is a fantastic summary of a lot of guys on this site. They say things like "She doesn't like me because im aspergers/poor whatever"

When maybe it's not being shallow, maybe you have an unappealing personality.


I hate the word "shallow" in this context - it implies that there's something immoral about not dating someone you're not attracted to.

I'm sorry, many Aspie guys (myself included) are by-and-large not attractive to the opposite sex - but it is stupid/morally wrong to blame women for this fact - it is what it is: bad luck.



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14 Mar 2011, 9:39 pm

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jamieboy wrote:
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Huge penis.:lol:


now if only you had a good place to park it in, repeatedly and vigorously. :lol:


It's too large. He's scaring them off. Also, he should start wearing pants. Just saying.



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14 Mar 2011, 10:16 pm

I think we lost the original poster riight around the page where someone asked had she 'put out'.... don't blame her!



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14 Mar 2011, 10:19 pm

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I think we lost the original poster riight around the page where someone asked had she 'put out'.... don't blame her!


I hope so. Otherwise she'd be scarred with images of pants-free jamieboy with a big dong. Nobody needs that.



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14 Mar 2011, 10:25 pm

Just trying to bring some humour to an argumentative thread. I didn't mean to scar anyones imagination. :lol:



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14 Mar 2011, 10:25 pm

wefunction wrote:
Lene wrote:
I think we lost the original poster riight around the page where someone asked had she 'put out'.... don't blame her!


I hope so. Otherwise she'd be scarred with images of pants-free jamieboy with a big dong. Nobody needs that.


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14 Mar 2011, 10:29 pm

Alright i'm feeling suitably atrophied and belittled now. I'm back in my manbox.