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Sorry that i was gone the last couple weeks.

the posts by aspieguy are dead on. it does upset me and sadden me how angrily the females on here react to this stuff. women need to realize that a man's masculinity and self image and reputation is judged on how many women and the quality of the women he can have sex with. we are told that the more and higher quality women we get, the more of a man we are. we are made to feel it that if a woman rejects us for whatever reason, that we are less of a man and a loser. something needs to be done to change society's view on this

in honesty all i really care for is a girl i love, who isnt fat, has a good personality, and wants long term stuff. but society says that to be a successful man, i need a high quality female.

women need to know that us men feel like crap when we get rejected. and why are women so angry about this PUA stuff?

yes, i do see alot of a**hole guys get laid alot, its not the fact that hes an a**hole that makes the girl like him. its because he is fun and exciting and daring. girls are probobly telling the truth when they want a nice guy, but they leave out the fact that they want the nice guy to also be fun, exciting, daring, and non supplicative

you women do need to look at this from a male point of view and realize that our getting to have sex with you proves our masculinity. im not saying its right, in fact its wrong, but it is one of the few ways, other than fighting and sports, that a man can prove himself

and yes, being a stereotypical nice guy does get you friend zoned, that is fact

and women care about PUA stuff alot. for example, im a really good looking guy who gets alot of attention, but it doesnt last long when the girls talk to me for awhile (maybe they think im not interested, which im not interested in alot of them, or i say something stupid) and i havent been gettnng as much attention lately. but my average looking friend does PUA and he just had sex with a girl in the parking lot today, as well as banged 3 last weekend, hes a really nerdy looking guy, but he gets quality women because he uses PUA.

i have never talked to any of those girls so i dont know how they feel about him afterwards, but they dont stick around for long.

I really dont see what the problem the women are having here. Trojan made a valid point, society has the double standard on men and women. To be seen as a real man you have to have the list of women to back it up. being a PUA may not be a great thing but in all honesty it takes 2 to tango. Women just got to learn to say no. Then again maybe women want sex as much as men do. In that case then what is wrong with this?

You cant see why women have a problem with being regarded as objects and having their minds manipulated with techniques designed to confuse and upset them (setting up negative reinforcement, back handed compliments (negging), "alpha" behaviour in order to let the woman know that the male will dominate her). That is what I read about in many of these sick blogs. Only good to be used for bog roll in my opinion, this information.

Both of you say that as if women dont manipulate men.

hyperlexian, you need to realize that we are told that we must prove ourselves with high social value and popularity to get the attention of a desirable female. because if women are having sex with a guy, it shows his desirability, and women want what is desirable, according to PUA stuff

PUA stuff says we must act alpha and make it clear to the woman that we are confident, popular, and will dominate her.

i know alot of the views we have are wrong, i feel that as a virgin myself, it will make women avoid me, as it would show that i am undesirable

women have asked me of my past sexual history and when i tell em im a virgin, they usually dont believe me, they tell me im too good looking to be a virgin and tell me to stop lying

Most PUAs claim they were ordinary guys who sucked with women before changing their lives because THEY WANTED to make a change, and be successful. I read about PUA stuff but it sickened me, it told me i cant by myself, i must be a loud extroverted guy

You can do things your own way. But there is no acceptance in that. Hell look at me. People look down at me because ive never had a gf, or a sexual partner every day of my life. Hell even my parents and family members do. Am I in an urge to go and try every trick I know to bang someone and get it off me? No. Ive talked myself into and out of many things. But I dont feel right doing those things to hurt someone.

Now theres people out there that actually care what society thinks of them. Those are usually the ones that do the PUA things.


Pretty much the way I see it either learn to deal with the PUAs or change social standards so we dont need to be this way anymore.

EDIT: Let it be known im not supporting either side. In fact I think both sides are wrong. The PUAs and disgusted women both need to change and accept.