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03 Sep 2011, 2:09 pm

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Even men come in between men and their head games on women. I'm imagining the pick up artist pretending to be alpha but then an alpha taps him on his shoulder and his blow up alpha muscles are instantly deflated.

(Some of the men on this forum aren't as bad as the others)

http://www.puaforums.com/ask-expert/550 ... -help.html

I'm not a PUA or really studied any PUA skills. I've come here because I'm stuck. Every time I go out, it seems, this crap happens and I don't know how to avoid and/or respond to it. Could someone offer some suggestions?

Here's the setup:

Step 1: Me and and a guy (or sometimes just me) are talking to a girl (HB)
Step 2: Guy, either invited or not, comes up and steps BETWEEN me and HB. Girl engages with guy and guy physically pushes me out of the conversation.

This is driving me nuts. I have no clue how to a) protect against this and b) react when it happens.

I'm not a tall guy (I'm 5' 7") or a large guy (140 lbs) and frequently the cock blocker is a much taller guy. Last night, the guy was probably 5' 11" or so and bigger. He literally moved between me and HB so instead of looking at her, I was looking at this jackass's shoulder blades.

After the jackass was standing basically between me and the HB, I moved behind the jackass and over to the HB's right to rejoin the conversation. It was just awkward. So I chumped and just left.

Please, any suggestions would really be helpful here. I'm totally stuck and this happens frequently.

Thanks a ton.

Ouch.

This is where I don't get some heterosexual women. If I was talking to a dude, and some other dude stepped between us, I'd probably think dude #2 was a rude butthead, especially if I was having an intelligent conversation with dude #1.

Anyway, don't have any advice, but I wish you luck. I've gotten the impression that bars/club attract rude/stupid people and you're probably intellectually above 90% of the regular patrons.

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03 Sep 2011, 3:03 pm

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But that's really not just a dating issue or even PUA-related topic.

This is a very common male issue though that happens quite often (not necessarily just in a bar scenario or talking-with-a-girl scenario, but it can happen everywhere). You probably never heard of those because there's no men forum ;--) , you probably think that the only men issue are dating and penis size, not true.

Men who are more physically bigger /stronger than me sometimes try to show off their physical superiority, even friends sometimes do it in a 'friendly' or 'joking way. Fortunately, this behavior becomes rarer with age, but it still can happen with adult males in places like night clubs and bars.

Teen boys go to gyms and martial art classes for that very reason too, to become strong and avoid such humiliations, not just to become more attractive.

Btw, what HB stands for? Hot Babe?

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03 Sep 2011, 3:19 pm

Just say no, y'all. It's for the better.

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03 Sep 2011, 9:35 pm

Oh there are alpha males and alpha females.

Then there are Alpha a**holes and Alpha b*****s.

There are also the omega females and omega males.

When I think of the quiet smart ones who aren't really into cliques and all the games but somehow manage to work themselves around such complications, I think of omegas. While the alphas are fighting over the mate, the omega comes in and makes an example of how childish they look.

The beta males and females when trying to become alpha usually end up imitating the alpha b*****s and a**holes because they themselves perceive games of as being an a**hole or b***h by default and how many times they have been bullied only to see that others came in to award the bully.

Your true alpha females and males are secure with themselves without being overly arrogant. The alpha women aren't really these overly masculine women that use physical force to knock others around, those are alpha b*****s. The same with alpha a**holes. They use physical force to knock others down to get their way.

So to sum it up. There are the ones who are positive with beta, alpha and omega and there are the negative ones.

Not all women really do like this one particular kind of guy either. So if you are thinking that way then you're logic is flawed and you have issues with females. Perhaps you are the negative of a beta, alpha or omega.

The truth is, the negatives are all about the short term.
The positives are about the long term.

When women get hurt by these short term enthusiasts, they may too turn into a negative. If that is the intention then you're a negger that will end up with nothing for you in the long term.

Me as a woman I prefer smart men who are more like Omegas. The alphas can fight, the betas who envy alpha a**holes can try to make me chase but I'll end up with the Omega anyway.

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04 Sep 2011, 9:29 am

b9 wrote:

anna-banana wrote:

b9 wrote:

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Say "no" to "pick up a**holes"

if anybody told me to pick up arse holes i would say "no"

pick up a***holes, b9!

good!

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04 Sep 2011, 9:38 am

XFilesGeek wrote:

anna-banana wrote:

Fatal-Noogie wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

I don't find this link funny at all.

It's so disturbing.

neither do i.

Add my name to the list of people who don't think rape is funny at all.

The poster "DonRomeo" is twisted and perverse.
I wish he would abandon his horribly sexist hate,
and learn to treat women with respect,
for the safety of everyone involved.

I wasn't laughing at his ideology (which is obviously sick and horrid) but at his reasoning. can't help but laugh at such logic as this:

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Legalize rape, and you completely invalidate conflict - because the commodity that is fought over, at every single level of human society, is sex» with women. Legalize rape, and everyone has the right to have sex».

and don't even get me started on the "Gendercidal" part of his post.

this guy is some f***ing clown.

:shrug:

Come be an asexual. We could always use one more, and there's free coffee and cake.

Anyway, based on my experience with several men of the "PUA mindset," I feel the root of most of it is inherently narcissism, or, as it commonly manifests, the belief that men are "entitled" to sex with women. Their internal monologue generally goes like this: "I'm a super-attractive, really intelligent, nice guy with an awesome personality. Any woman who doesn't respond to my advances is obviously a b!tch...I mean...because I'm so awesome and stuff."

Additionally, there's an undercurrent that women aren't really "human," which is why most PUAs I've met feel all women everywhere can be described in sweeping generalizations (Ladies, you're a sex object more akin to an animal than a person. Making allowances for nuance would grant women more "personhood" than these PUAs are willing to grant). Also, the aforementioned males will also tend to assert that their opinions are "facts" and that their limited experiences and anecdotes are on par with the most carefully researched empirical scientific data. Lastly, they usually have a great need to identify as "masculine" and have a huge emotional investment in "manhood" and "maleness," mostly to alleviate their lack of PERSONAL accomplishment in life (kind of like how poor white trash can become racist as a means of showing "white pride" in the face of an overwhelming lack of individual merit).

Are their benign uses of PUA techniques? I don't doubt it. Are all PUA users like the ones I just described? Probably not, but I certainly haven't met them and, going by what I personally know, I'd advise any woman to steer clear of any dude using PUA routines.

BTW, hey ladies, I've found it's pretty easy to spot the toxic PUAs: just look out for the guys with egos so huge they could qualify for a spot in the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade. If you want them to go away, take a few potshots at their manhood and watch them have a complete meltdown. Problem solved.

great post Geek! I'd take free coffee and cake over a libido any day! :wink:

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04 Sep 2011, 10:34 am

TheygoMew, with who you are arguing? I am confused.

TheygoMew wrote:

Me as a woman I prefer smart men who are more like Omegas. The alphas can fight, the betas who envy alpha a**holes can try to make me chase but I'll end up with the Omega anyway.

I am a Gamma male, highly unstable, radioactive and has a mass-destructive farting power.

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04 Sep 2011, 11:22 am

....
(i like dots (but i only like 4 dots. all the other dots in the universe i hate)
the dots i like i typed. there were only 4 of them), so this post was short

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04 Sep 2011, 12:04 pm

I am confused too... is TheygoMew a man or a woman?

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04 Sep 2011, 12:06 pm

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I am confused too... is TheygoMew a man or a woman?

lol, all this stormy fury and you still haven't guessed she's a woman?

<--- *runs away to take cover*

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04 Sep 2011, 12:36 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

anna-banana wrote:

I am confused too... is TheygoMew a man or a woman?

lol, all this stormy fury and you still haven't guessed she's a woman?

<--- *runs away to take cover*

ah, the cock-blocking post was the confusing one. no quote marks

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04 Sep 2011, 12:38 pm

i forgot about a fifth dot that i am also fond of.
here it is
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don't you just wanna love it and care for it?
i hope somebody does because i am off to sleep now and i am done with caring.

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04 Sep 2011, 12:48 pm

((( . ))) what a cute dot *hug*

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04 Sep 2011, 12:51 pm

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((( . ))) what a cute dot *hug*

hey man can I hold your dot? just for a second?

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04 Sep 2011, 2:13 pm

anna-banana wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

((( . ))) what a cute dot *hug*

hey man can I hold your dot? just for a second?

NO! Keep your hands off you monster!

But you can ask b9, I am just the dotysitter.

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05 Sep 2011, 12:16 am

Getting back to the OP's thesis...

I resent PUA's too,
but I also object to the premise that women have to be constantly on guard against PUAs.
If you enter the arena determined to look for a reason to distrust a man,
I can guarantee you you'll see one, whether it's really there or not.
That means all the men lose.

Why can't women weed out the PUAs by judging actual behavior,
and not anticipated motives where assumptions can be wrong?

for example,
If a man behaves rudely, and you think they're playing the "hard-to-get" game,
why not reject him for being rude?
If you catch him lying about something,
don't reject them because you think he has some elaborate ulterior motive scheme.
Reject him for lying.

Your 5 signs to watch for are vague enough to indict any man.
Take for example, your first condition:

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1. Hot and cold treatment. One day ignores you. Another day is getting close to you and talking to you. (This is manipulation.)

What if he has a job and works every other day so he doesn't have time to see you on those days?

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You may notice that he understands the timing of when you arrive somewhere so he uses this time to manipulate you further.

So what, if the traffic is slow and he gets to the party late, he's delaying his presence to manipulate you?

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Suddenly, all other women hate you as he's playing games with them too.

It's one thing to actually discover that he trashed your reputation, and another to merely speculate.
I don't blame others for the impression my guy friends have of me because I'm an adult.

If I want to flirt with a woman who I sincerely admire,
should I expect that some of her friends (much like you) say that men who act too nice are manipulative lying scumbag PUAs,
while her other friends say that men ignoring her are manipulative lying scumbag PUAs?
That's a game I can't win.
There's no possible course of action I can take that won't land me in the "manipulative lying scumbag PUA" category.

That's why I don't believe in these silly mind games,
neither from the PUAs themselves nor women who are determined to paint me as a PUA based on silly stereotypes.
I would rather I judge a woman by her actions and behavior
and she judge me by my actions and behavior.
That's the game i play.

If you insist on playing a game of fear and prejudice, I won't try to stop you,
but I wish you wouldn't encourage others to play it as well.

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