Who are the Self Proclaimed Nice Guys here?
hmm.
I think about going to a prostitute if they were legal, though to be honest they wouldn't satisfy my real needs, unless they would spend the day with me cuddling and watching movies followed by sex later. I had nsa sex and found it not to meet my needs. I guess despite being horny I really need emotional connection.
now the ideal of a non sexual counselor that could help guide me to being more appealing to women. That would be nice, though it seems my major issues are my face and lack of a job. Still help knowing when to as for a date would be nice. I don't know when to and I'm not in a rush to go on a date rather wanting to talk for weeks before, I now wonder if this is unacceptable to a woman. It is just how my closest things to relationships happen.
I may be afraid of going on a date now, since i fear it only end in rejection.
there are things one can only get in the hands of a woman. No amount of look into myself can provide the emotions and feelings of hugs, curdling, touch, having her listen to me and me listening to her.
as for my abuse and healing. I don't think i'll ever be healed, I'm healed but damagaed. Its affected my hormones and my mind when it comes to certain topics. the only place I expect help is from my wife if i ever have one. on certain topics.
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we already do place a value on a piece of music. generally its $2 per song .
there are things one can only get in the hands of a woman. No amount of look into myself can provide the emotions and feelings of hugs, curdling, touch, having her listen to me and me listening to her.
as for my abuse and healing. I don't think i'll ever be healed, I'm healed but damagaed. Its affected my hormones and my mind when it comes to certain topics. the only place I expect help is from my wife if i ever have one. on certain topics.
what you've said here is just not true. it is completely false--and if you were to go through the process with a good therapist you would see just how self-defeating it is to expect other people to fix you. you have to do the work yourself. it is the only way. trust someone who has been there (yes, i am a rape survivor too, as well as childhood abuse--and i was able to learn how to love and care for myself. if i can do it, so can you. but NO ONE can do it for you.
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Look, if it helps some of you guys feel better, when I say you have to do it for yourself, it's from experience. You don't have to do it all by tomorrow or anything. It's one of those little bit by little bit sorts of things, not something you just wake up having solved. It's taken me twenty years to get to the point where I'm not downright destructive of myself and personal relationships.
It is do-able, just takes awhile and it's hard.
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Women are NOT a monolith, and we are just as liable to error, misunderstanding, social awkwardness and/or problems as men are. Viewing us as a monolith is dehumanizing. Don't do it.
And, in before some yahoo says it, I don't think men are a monolith either.
And, on top of that, most of us are dealing with our own fears, insecurities, and stressors. We're not some sort of angelic beings who only refrain from sharing our heavenly light out of spite; most of us, especially some of us on this board, are struggling to get by.
Treating us as some sort of extra-special dispensers of cuddles and good feelings is just as objectifying as treating us like cows, if less physically bruising.
Of all the rape victims I have known, and there have been many, not a single woman I've ever met responded to rape that way, and none of the men who've confided in me about this over the years have EVER made that demand. It is not just ethically abhorrent, it's also a dangerous line of thought which is used to excuse sexual violence: men who rape consistently dehumanize women, blaming them for their failures and problems. Are you interested in the studies on this?
The only advice to give is.... the only advice. Period. It's the only advice for men and women. There is no other advice to give. The only thing you can do if you are someone with damage in your past is deal with it. No one else can do it for you. No one else can make it better, and blaming everyone else for your problems only makes it harder to get any kind of healing. The only compassionate and ethical thing I could do here is to make it clear that women cannot solve his problem for him, and that insisting on prostituting women so that he or other men won't have to go on a raping spree and abuse women is WRONG.
Sometimes, being compassionate is not holding someone's hand. Sometimes it is telling them that the thing they want to do is hurting themselves and others.
Look, I couldn't agree with you more that these ideas are ethically abhorrent, and that they are clearly delusional and cognitively distorted. They are clearly not something we should support, however that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be sympathetic or look for assistance. I read you talking about how you've overcome your own issues, whatever they are and I don't mean to pry, by working them out yourself over a long process. And yes that is very much part of the equation for anyone to sift through something like this.
However, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you've never experienced anything like rape. It destroys a person's perspective on sex, often gives them anxiety issues and PTSD symptoms for the rest of his/her life, and can definitely manifest in a similar state of mine to our friend here. If you don't believe me try working as a prison guard at San Quentin like I did after I quit teaching third graders in my twenties. There are all kinds of ways that traumatic experiences that often bring up identity crises, can eventually manifest themselves.
Having seen the absolute hell this kind of delusional mindset and PTSD symptoms can be for people, more than once, I have no trouble both viewing their actions and thoughts as inexcusable and having sympathy for them. Simply because people are warped doesn't make them not people.
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Lukecash12: I've been raped by five separate people, most of which were people I was dating at the time or was married to, or made the mistake of going on a date with, or went to talk to because they said they needed to talk to me about something, or was left alone with because they were babysitting me.
When my parents were not punishing me, they were talking about new ways to hurt me and/or making me go out in public and buy things to torture me with. My mother, in particular, liked to take me to Wal Mart and make me pick out things she would break on me later. My father favored humiliation, like making me wear a toilet seat all day for my birthday and go out running errands so that everyone who saw me got to see me wearing the toilet seat, while spending the rest of the afternoon pointing and laughing at me. We were in Dallas at the time, at Home Depot. It was quite busy. I had to wear the toilet seat almost the entire rest of the day, as we ran errands in Dallas.
My father also spent my childhood beating me for being a whore, because someone he left me with molested me. He spent my young adulthood telling everyone I sight that I was a slut, which made me more attractive to creepy, molesty men. He went to the family of my first and second husbands and told them they might as well install a revolving door on my bedroom. (FYI: Faithful to both husbands.)
My brother encouraged me to kill myself throughout my childhood, and the rest of my family tells me that it's my fault we can't all get along and won't let me talk about anything that happened because I should just drop it already.
I was homeless as a teenage girl to get away from that environment, not that being homeless was a great improvement.
When I do go to therapists, they remark that it's a miracle I haven't been institutionalized. I have lifelong PTSD, including disrupted sleep, appetite problems, inability to digest food, I am jumpy if I'm in the least bit stressed, I check the locks before I sleep, I have screaming nightmares, I have trouble trusting others, I am solitary to a fault and I have rage issues for which I took anger management. I get up every morning and fight to be a decent human being, and for the most part, at least according to those closest to me, I actually manage. I don't hit anyone, I don't hurt anyone, I don't abuse anyone, I don't treat anyone like I was treated.
I know INTIMATELY what it's like to be raped, humiliated, tortured (lack of sleep, lack of privacy (I wasn't allowed to piss with the door open because I might touch myself; my parents timed my bathroom visits), physical harm, emotional torture, intellectual shaming...) However, unlike AspergianMutantt, I realized that no one else could fix me.....
and fixed my f*****g self, because I was the only one who could. Some people, when they experience trauma, deal with it because they don't want to live the rest of their lives angry, resentful, bitter and blaming everyone else for their problems. I and at least four others have spent all day trying to patiently explain to the man what was wrong with what he was saying. Many people have empathized with him who have analogous experiences, and it hasn't made a difference because what he wants is not to get healing, what he appears to want is to punish women for rejecting him.
As a side note: the topic is currently, in my reading, taking personal responsibility for the problems you might be having with persons of the opposite sex. It has everything in the world to do with entitlement issues and being a "nice person," as opposed to a genuinely nice person.
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Women are NOT a monolith, and we are just as liable to error, misunderstanding, social awkwardness and/or problems as men are. Viewing us as a monolith is dehumanizing. Don't do it.
And, in before some yahoo says it, I don't think men are a monolith either.
O really? Then why, in an outing, the women always go to the toilet together en groupe *every time*? huh?

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I don't like to single people out though (Octobertiger).

You mean OctoberTiger was really nice or a Nice Guy TM?
Oh, I just meant he was/is really nice.


See how this was-a-simple term is confusing today?
I don't like to single people out though (Octobertiger).

You mean OctoberTiger was really nice or a Nice Guy TM?
Oh, I just meant he was/is really nice.


See how this was-a-simple term is confusing today?
Yes. I've only just cottoned on to it. Now I understand what all the fuss is about.
It's took me long enough to get there.

Nice Guys TM v's really nice guys.
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This is where your wrong, I know, just I didn't have the tools, which is one of my points. I needed help.
I didn't know how to deal with it nor had any support, I was going off the deep end. I had to fight my way back. Alone.
Men do not have that support that women has. all we get is the blame, when I am not all men. I am sorry for your pain.
I have no desire to punish anyone, I just wanted understanding and to be held, it would have made a world of difference to me.
Through the eyes of a child I see you.
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