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20 Jul 2015, 2:13 am

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And yes I've been on dates and have attempted relationships...and well single now and have spent most of my life single.

That's a lot. The best I could do was a few regular dates and a friendship where a girl would eat and drink with me if I paid for her.



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20 Jul 2015, 2:24 am

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my husband talks about his emotions often. i have never labeled him for it.
lucky, but has't been my experience with the women I've tried to date. as soon as I stop sharing my emotions they said was confident. share them say i lack confident. its really sad I must keep my emotions and concerns bottled up.
The trick is to share only those feelings that she is comfortable with. Never let her see you angry or sad; only let her see you happy or content.
That's not what sharing emotions mean. See most people show happiness to any one and everyone. They don't walk around unemotional look on their face. Sharing emotions means crying when sad, talking about why you're upset, sharing your fears etc.
Sure, and that's exactly what it means in theory; but in practice, I know of no woman who is attracted to rage-filled, wild-eyed, angry men, or to weepy, teary-eyed, depressed men, either.

While women may say that they want a man who is "in touch with his feelings", the only feelings that they want him to express openly are happiness and contentment.


....and expressing his love for her in front the entire world. *vomiting*



That was so sweet!


Sweet?.....SWEET?

That was so nauseating - eurgh.



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20 Jul 2015, 2:43 am

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Yes, but this is L&D. Here, we talk about relationships and dating.

Sweetleaf, have you ever been in a relationship and have you been on more than a few dates in your life?

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Getting a date of course is hardly the only part of it, sure that bit can be easy....but I can say more often than not relationships I attempt just end up as me being used for a while.

A lot of guys on this forum hardly get any dates ever.


Then they haven't had to experience the getting used thing probably...many who have never had a relationship and get one will realize its may not be everything great they expected.


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20 Jul 2015, 2:45 am

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And yes I've been on dates and have attempted relationships...and well single now and have spent most of my life single.

That's a lot. The best I could do was a few regular dates and a friendship where a girl would eat and drink with me if I paid for her.


I didn't even provide a number...and to me quality would be a lot more satisfying than any quantity, I've really only had a few date/relationship instances and none turned out well. so to me having gone on more dates than another person does not imply to me that I have it easier based on the outcomes...but cannot speak for everyone that is just my experience.


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20 Jul 2015, 2:51 am

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Also this is an autism forum, here we talk about people on the spectrum...females on the spectrum do not 'have it easier' than neurotypical males when it comes to dating like you'd think is the case reading this thread and generalizations being applied to 'all' females/women.

Would you say that a typical WP.net woman is just as successful (or less successful) in relationships as a typical WP.net man?


I am not sure...depends on what one defines as success in this field, then I'd have to do a poll or something to get a real consensus. But I imagine a lot of it really depends on the individual, their life situation, were they live and various factors.


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20 Jul 2015, 2:53 am

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And yes I've been on dates and have attempted relationships...and well single now and have spent most of my life single.

That's a lot. The best I could do was a few regular dates and a friendship where a girl would eat and drink with me if I paid for her.


I didn't even provide a number...and to me quality would be a lot more satisfying than any quantity, I've really only had a few date/relationship instances and none turned out well. so to me having gone on more dates than another person does not imply to me that I have it easier based on the outcomes...but cannot speak for everyone that is just my experience.


well if you never have quality, then quantity is better. I'd rather have 10 cheap pies then never have had pie at all. plus in dating since even bad relationships are still experience. which i suppose isn't important for women, but women expect a guy to have relationship experience. though I suppose uys prefer women to have none.



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20 Jul 2015, 2:58 am

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I didn't even provide a number...and to me quality would be a lot more satisfying than any quantity, I've really only had a few date/relationship instances and none turned out well. so to me having gone on more dates than another person does not imply to me that I have it easier based on the outcomes...but cannot speak for everyone that is just my experience.

How do you arrange a date without a number? What if somebody would cancel it, how would the other side know?

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Then they haven't had to experience the getting used thing probably...many who have never had a relationship and get one will realize its may not be everything great they expected.

Would you rather be in your position and get used or would you rather be a person nobody finds desirable enough to take advantage of?



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20 Jul 2015, 3:00 am

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314pe wrote:
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Also this is an autism forum, here we talk about people on the spectrum...females on the spectrum do not 'have it easier' than neurotypical males when it comes to dating like you'd think is the case reading this thread and generalizations being applied to 'all' females/women.

Would you say that a typical WP.net woman is just as successful (or less successful) in relationships as a typical WP.net man?


I am not sure...depends on what one defines as success in this field, then I'd have to do a poll or something to get a real consensus. But I imagine a lot of it really depends on the individual, their life situation, were they live and various factors.


Definition of success in this field: Having a boyfriend/girlfriend (a good one) or getting married and staying happily so.

Which is the case for most of WP.net women here - sure a lot relationships fail, but that's everywhere in life - it's not so out of the norm.

It is staying single, and never experiencing any kind of relationship for life which is so abnormal and failure in this field- which is the case for many wp.net guys here.

Look, the gap is so obvious, even it's just anecdotal evidence, stop denying it. :lol:



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20 Jul 2015, 3:02 am

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well if you never have quality, then quantity is better. I'd rather have 10 cheap pies then never have had pie at all. plus in dating since even bad relationships are still experience. which i suppose isn't important for women, but women expect a guy to have relationship experience. though I suppose uys prefer women to have none.

When you're starving, a cheap pie tastes better than anything in the world. When you're full, you won't like even the most expensive gourmet apple pie.



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20 Jul 2015, 3:04 am

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I didn't even provide a number...and to me quality would be a lot more satisfying than any quantity, I've really only had a few date/relationship instances and none turned out well. so to me having gone on more dates than another person does not imply to me that I have it easier based on the outcomes...but cannot speak for everyone that is just my experience.

How do you arrange a date without a number? What if somebody would cancel it, how would the other side know?

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Then they haven't had to experience the getting used thing probably...many who have never had a relationship and get one will realize its may not be everything great they expected.

Would you rather be in your position and get used or would you rather be a person nobody finds desirable enough to take advantage of?


I meant I did not say how many relationship attempts I have had, so wasn't sure how you'd determine it was a lot...lol. And I think I'd really prefer the latter, less stress.....though ideally finding someone to actually bond with and form a real relationship where I know what is going on and am not being used would be most ideal. But if I gotta choose one of those options... the latter, of course it really does get to me when I get my hopes up only to get massive disappointment.

I have family/friends and acquaintances for social interaction....there are ways to satisfy sexual needs without a Significant Other without ever having to end up in the position of 'oh they just wanted someone to sleep with but don't really care for me'... and the terrible feeling that comes with.


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20 Jul 2015, 3:05 am

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Definition of success in this field: Having a boyfriend/girlfriend (a good one) or getting married.

There're some women on WP.net who can't get any dates and haven't been in a relationships. I don't understand why they don't ever post on 'who has it harder' topics.



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20 Jul 2015, 3:10 am

314pe wrote:
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Definition of success in this field: Having a boyfriend/girlfriend (a good one) or getting married.

There're some women on WP.net who can't get any dates and haven't been in a relationships. I don't understand why they don't ever post on 'who has it harder' topics.


Oh but they do, some did claim that guys have it easier because guys can approach women (weird, I know, but they think that makes things easier) - the reason that you don't often see such posts is because ...well...there are very very few of them? I recall only 1 or 2 users like this.

There were few who created threads complaining about their inability of having a real bf (but not casual - because obviously, they can).

The majority of them who have been single forever, are single by choice.



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20 Jul 2015, 3:11 am

314pe wrote:
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Definition of success in this field: Having a boyfriend/girlfriend (a good one) or getting married.

There're some women on WP.net who can't get any dates and haven't been in a relationships. I don't understand why they don't ever post on 'who has it harder' topics.


Probably because they don't want it crammed down their throat about how...they could if they wanted, or hear the expert opinion of fellow internet goers that they are simply choosing not to engage with potential dates/relationships but could easily get a relationship date if they wanted....or not, but seemed a viable theory.


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20 Jul 2015, 4:08 am

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Probably because they don't want it crammed down their throat about how...they could if they wanted, or hear the expert opinion of fellow internet goers that they are simply choosing not to engage with potential dates/relationships but could easily get a relationship date if they wanted....or not, but seemed a viable theory.

Thanks for agreeing that not all forever alones are lazy.



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20 Jul 2015, 7:36 am

nurseangela wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
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cathylynn wrote:
my husband talks about his emotions often. i have never labeled him for it.
lucky, but has't been my experience with the women I've tried to date. as soon as I stop sharing my emotions they said was confident. share them say i lack confident. its really sad I must keep my emotions and concerns bottled up.
The trick is to share only those feelings that she is comfortable with. Never let her see you angry or sad; only let her see you happy or content.
That's not what sharing emotions mean. See most people show happiness to any one and everyone. They don't walk around unemotional look on their face. Sharing emotions means crying when sad, talking about why you're upset, sharing your fears etc.
Sure, and that's exactly what it means in theory; but in practice, I know of no woman who is attracted to rage-filled, wild-eyed, angry men, or to weepy, teary-eyed, depressed men, either.

While women may say that they want a man who is "in touch with his feelings", the only feelings that they want him to express openly are happiness and contentment.


....and expressing his love for her in front the entire world. *vomiting*



That was so sweet!


What a Sweet Pea! :D :P


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20 Jul 2015, 7:49 am

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And by the way this is a lesbian posing as a male...not a real male, or even someone who has been proven to actually pass as convincing male....just a lesbain who wanted to be an inprofessional experiment without proper mesures of the factors and causes of said event even though they said they wont consent. So not sure how this is entirely relevent to 'life of males' in the military, when its about snow and ice people aren'te even fully exposed to in any event that is show.



Why do you hate her so much? :P

What you call "This", is a woman, and her being lesbian doesn't make her any less person nor less female.

Her experiment was revolutionary, one of a kind.

She might not have brought all answers to women how life it is like to be a man, but she brought something, some insight.


Not really.

Transgendered people live this "experiment" all the time.


Maybe - but they didn't film the experience nor wrote a book.

but here the thing: Trans are hardly not recognizable.
When I browse dating profiles - I can tell quickly who's tran with high accurancy.

While Norah's diguise was done by pros.

Sure, some assumed she's gay, but this is a common assumption that happens all the time among people toward the not-so-manly men.
In high school, I was assumed to be gay by girls, the reason why? Turned out because I have never flirted with one.
I've overheard my friend trying to convince one (a popular girl) that I am not gay, that is when I've learned her and her friends assumed the same thing.

I think you WP girls hate her because she proves that guys have it harder - oh well... that's weird... you should be pleased you are women instead. :p


I don't hate her, and I'm not always pleased that I'm a woman. There's times when I wish the concept of gender and gender roles didn't even exist. I'm tired of having to live up to stupid standards all the time.


I'm with GG on this one. I also actually admire this person. I admire all Transgendered people, because I know what they go through day in and day out. I also wish that the concept of gender and gender roles didn't have to exist into the 21st Century. You know there's something wrong if it's 2015 and people still expect you to fit the Gender Binary and be proud of your birth gender.


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