Beta males - why do woman dislike them?

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I think you missed my point. I'll try again: if we're all descended from alphas, as evolutionary theory suggests, then there shouldn't still remain a significant sector of the male population who would experience a guilt complex over violence they imposed on other "weaker" humans. The "alpha factor" in our genes should have weeded that out due to a preference for "strength," even if the exterior behavior of the person is, as you suggest, identified as "beta." I think some social scientists floated this idea of "alpha/beta" humans, and it has gained traction even though it doesn't hold together as an explanation of social function. Kind of like how the Left Brain-Right Brain thing has caught on, but also does not hold together as an explanation of brain function. But it allows easy classification and stigmatization, which is a process held with affection by the hierarchy, so is promulgated and embraced by it.


Thanks Carlee, for getting my point.

Man is a unique species as he is endowed with consciousness and in essence moves through self aware space and time. This imbues him with reason or a notion of cause and effect and thus instinctual role playing is less relevant for him That is what evolution contemplates for him. It wouldnt be unreasonable to suggest that there will come a time where man no longer needs to function through the physical sphere which includes forceful role playing. To some extent, I think that certain autistics are in fact consciousness further along the reasoned spectrum I for example see no other use for violence other then to subdue where necessary. As a mode of role playing; it is surplus to who I am. Of course a woman who preferred a role playing man would not appeal to me.

from what I've seen, the majority of humans want a role-playing mate. us abstainers are a tiny minority.

True.

No, that's pretty much the exact opposite of what humans ought to be doing. In human history, few things have resulted in as much misery, pain, torture, pointless oppression and war as folks insisting some supernatural being (or old book allegedly written by a supernatural being) told them that people who don't believe in THEIR supernatural being deserve to be forcibly converted or killed or otherwise deprived of basic human rights.

It's like you are comparing the biggest loser in the school to the prom king and saying that they are just slightly different so why are they thought about like that? And I was the biggest female loser in my school for a very long time, so I totally get that.

You can't just catagorize people into alpha and beta and all that s**t. It doesn't work that way in real life except when you recognize that some people are alphas because they are leaders and have forceful personalities. Alpha doesn't always mean very popular and cute, many times it's a leader type as well.

For the two photos in the first post you had, it's sort of obvious that one guy takes care of himself and the other one doesnt. I know that you can't make yourself that good looking if you aren't normally that good looking but a person can do a lot to get past how that pic was. Losing weight, doing something about the skin, the hair, maybe contacts, smile, clothes that look better on, etc. There are small things you can do.

If you wonder why the girls like the guy in the pic on the right over the one on the left, it's simple attraction. Pure physical attraction. Also he's probably got confidence because of his looks. If you aren't great looking then you have to fake confidence but it can be done. I did it. And no, it wasn't easier for girls back when I was in school. I went in the 70's and first couple years of the 80's. You saw that 70's show? Well back then in my school everybody was a Jackie. EVERYBODY but a very few girls. That is what you had to learn how to be and I did and I had to do it without anything coming naturally to me or being pretty, and also having almost no boobs or ass. It was brutal back then.

People are turned off by those who don't take care of themselves, while you may not be first on somebody's list if you do take care of yourself, you aren't going to be at the bottom of it either. I went to school with a guy who was very overweight and had terrible skin and glasses and greasy hair and was rude as hell in school. Nobody liked him, including me back then, because he was dirty and didn't take care of himself at all and because he was so mean and negative. I ran into that guy years later and we got to be good friends and he hung out with my husband and myself a whole lot for a long time. He had lost weight and started washing his face and wearing decent clothes and taking a shower and he got a hair cut. He was kinda hot then. Not like the prom king type but certainly not somebody you would turn your nose up at. He wished he had done soemthing about it in school rather than just be a bitter a**hole to everybody.

This makes a lot of sense actually, and from my perspective seems to be fairly spot on.

Let me just say, i take care of myself, get stylish haircuts, I dont smell bad, i am always clean, and nicely dressed, and I have no acme and this has always been the case in school, and still.

But I think I am probably a beta guy and my experience is the same as that OP. Im not a jerk, I dont like to fight people who dont deserve it or fight for no reason other then to cause strife, I am quiet and reserved and yet I am the weirdo. Im the nerd in a way thats not 'cute', the one who is always put in the friend zone. Honestly, I dont even bother with women younger then forty anymore, it seems the more mature women will at least not be so quick to put beta's in the friend zone.

So while some might not want to believe this actually happens but it does, and you dont even need to be physically repulsive for it to happen to.

I don't really think that it's about confidence and dominance. There are cluster traits that just aren't attractive, like mumbling, and being over-weight (and by that I mean not knowing how to feed yourself properly), and not being organised, not really being all that interested in other people, not being able to hold a conversation. If a person manifests a little bundle of annoying habits and traits then you don't really want to be around them, let alone form a romantic attachment to them. Who wants to be with someone who they find irritating? It doesn't matter how strong or pretty they are.

"Irritating" is incredibly subjective -- what you find unbearable, somebody else may well find endearing.

2/3 of US adults are overweight/obese and yet 80% adults are or have been married. A few extra pounds clearly aren't always a dealbreaker.

Will guys be more likely to overlook flaws in a super-hot girl? Probably, but I'm not seeing how that is inherently evil. People make trade offs in relationships all the time -- that one will date a short guy (despite not usually being into short guys) because he's so funny and smart, that they'll move to Timbuktu because the girl is so awesome that it's worth it to the otherwise-non-adventurous-homebody.

Lets be honest here, not many people -men or women- will over look a lot, its human nature to criticize and hate every little thing. If that weren't the case, the divorce rate wouldn't be so high.

Though there are some things that are universally irritating in people, goodness knows I seem to have qualities that will irritate a great deal of people regardless of gender or race.

same here.

That being said, some rare people like me, don't ever find anyone annoying, probably because I understand all too well.

you're a better person than me

Perfectly expressed summation of blind belief versus reason.

The world really needs much less of both people blindly following some old book, and people acting like animals. Both things happen regularly and its why the world is as out of control and messed up as it is.

Its strange watching blind belief in action.