15 Dec 2019, 6:27 am
rdos wrote:
It's the classical case of bending theories so they can handle things that disprove them. In this case they had to modify the theory with more strangeness to be able to explain doppler effect for light. The Big Bang theory has added enormous amount of dark matter and energy to fix its predictions.
You can derive relativistic Doppler effect from Lorenz transform alone, using high school Math. No room for any "bending" here.
Of course there are holes in humanity knowledge about the Universe. That's why research is cool
15 Dec 2019, 6:57 am
magz wrote:
rdos wrote:
It's the classical case of bending theories so they can handle things that disprove them. In this case they had to modify the theory with more strangeness to be able to explain doppler effect for light. The Big Bang theory has added enormous amount of dark matter and energy to fix its predictions.
You can derive relativistic Doppler effect from Lorenz transform alone, using high school Math.
Of course there are holes in humanity knowledge about the Universe. That's why research is cool
I'm completely in agreement with you that there are holes in the knowledge of humanity.
Our disagreement primarily revolves around how we fill those holes. Every scientific endeavour should approach problems without a bias towards religious theories. For instance, the original 'proof' that Einstein was right and classical theories were wrong was a factor two in an experiment. This could be explained if the mass of photons was incorrect. However, people simply threw themselves to Einstein as if he was some kind of God.
15 Dec 2019, 7:17 am
rdos wrote:
I'm completely in agreement with you that there are holes in the knowledge of humanity. Our disagreement primarily revolves around how we fill those holes. Every scientific endeavour should approach problems without a bias towards religious theories.
Yes, mainstream science came to that conclusion when Copernican revolution gave priority to Math and observations/experiments over sacred texts and ancient philosophers. Our disagreement primarily revolves around how we fill those holes. Every scientific endeavour should approach problems without a bias towards religious theories. It was a while ago.
rdos wrote:
For instance, the original 'proof' that Einstein was right and classical theories were wrong was a factor two in an experiment. This could be explained if the mass of photons was incorrect. However, people simply threw themselves to Einstein as if he was some kind of God.
Can you elaborate? I don't know at all what experiment you refer to.
15 Dec 2019, 9:05 am
magz wrote:
rdos wrote:
I'm completely in agreement with you that there are holes in the knowledge of humanity. Our disagreement primarily revolves around how we fill those holes. Every scientific endeavour should approach problems without a bias towards religious theories.
Yes, mainstream science came to that conclusion when Copernican revolution gave priority to Math and observations/experiments over sacred texts and ancient philosophers. Our disagreement primarily revolves around how we fill those holes. Every scientific endeavour should approach problems without a bias towards religious theories. It was a while ago.
Couldn't agree more. That was the golden age of science. However, it was a while ago and during the last 100 or so years we have started to swing back to the dark ages again. It's once more possible to launch 'theories' that are unprovable with observations but that has appeal to our religious desires alone, and once these have gained acceptance questioning them is met with similar reactions as Copernicus ideas once were met with.
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