Why its too late for me
There are plenty of women who would not mind it if they are never "penetrated" by a man-----even if they have romantic feelings for men.
Irrelevant. Its important to me.
Queue Serenity Prayer.
I think you need to face reality and move on.
There is more to life than intercourse.
Focus on making the other person happy rather than yourself.
Just a suggestion.

Everyone else got to have fun at least at some point in their live, but I never did.
Why should I have to face reality and move on when nobody else had to?
I had intercourse less than 5 times in my life.
It was a great disappointment.
"Is that it?"

It wasn't something I am into and have a major philosophical problem with doing the nasty.
I have been with women but haven't rubbed wee wees for over 20 years.

And vow never to do it again.

Personally, as someone else said, people make too much about it.
Intercourse is an anti-climatic (pun intended) and a f*****g joke (pun intended), *imo*.
Society simply makes too much about it.
As Shakespeare said, "Much to do about nothing".

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There are plenty of women who would not mind it if they are never "penetrated" by a man-----even if they have romantic feelings for men.
Irrelevant. Its important to me.
Queue Serenity Prayer.
I think you need to face reality and move on.
There is more to life than intercourse.
Focus on making the other person happy rather than yourself.
Just a suggestion.

that is, unfortunately, precisely the wrong thing to say to the OP. he doesn't want to hear that intercourse is off-limits to him. he wants a solution that will get him there and checks off boxes that are important to him.
Being realistic is the wrong thing to say?
OK.

as they said in my folks' generation, "there's a time for proust, and a time to skip it."
There are plenty of women who would not mind it if they are never "penetrated" by a man-----even if they have romantic feelings for men.
Irrelevant. Its important to me.
Queue Serenity Prayer.
I think you need to face reality and move on.
There is more to life than intercourse.
Focus on making the other person happy rather than yourself.
Just a suggestion.

that is, unfortunately, precisely the wrong thing to say to the OP. he doesn't want to hear that intercourse is off-limits to him. he wants a solution that will get him there and checks off boxes that are important to him.
Being realistic is the wrong thing to say?
OK.

as they said in my folks' generation, "there's a time for proust, and a time to skip it."
Let us agree to disagree.

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There are plenty of women who would not mind it if they are never "penetrated" by a man-----even if they have romantic feelings for men.
Irrelevant. Its important to me.
Queue Serenity Prayer.
I think you need to face reality and move on.
There is more to life than intercourse.
Focus on making the other person happy rather than yourself.
Just a suggestion.

Everyone else got to have fun at least at some point in their live, but I never did.
Why should I have to face reality and move on when nobody else had to?
I had intercourse less than 5 times in my life.
It was a great disappointment.
"Is that it?"

It wasn't something I am into and have a major philosophical problem with doing the nasty.
I have been with women but haven't rubbed wee wees for over 20 years.

And vow never to do it again.

Personally, as someone else said, people make too much about it.
Intercourse is an anti-climatic (pun intended) and a f*****g joke (pun intended), *imo*.
Society simply makes too much about it.
As Shakespeare said, "Much to do about nothing".

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/muc ... thing.html
another cliché that has some resonance here, "your mileage may vary." i did have about 2 experiences in the pleasure portal that were sublime. the moon and stars aligned for just those two times. no joke. climax woke the neighbors and other housemates, out of this world. the rest were subpar at best, as you described. i believe you were dis-availed of a good experience. you deserved far better and i sincerely hope that, while you still have your T, you seek out a better experience. life is too short to do without at least one good experience in this regard.
I am more intellectual than emotional.
I'm also not an oxytocin junkie and never will be.
To each their own.

Really, sexuality is not the be-all and end-all.
Many are simply programmed to *feel* that way.
Well, that is true from my perspective.
YMMV.

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At this point in my life, I have diastasis recti, an umbilical hernia, abnormally low T-levels, and erctile dysfunction.
Even if I could find a partner, I am physically incapable of having sex.
As KK said previously in another thread, there are other ways to please a woman.
ED is only a concern if you want to start a family.
But even that can be addressed.
And I said in my response to KK, having intercourse with my partner is important to me.
Excellent. Hopefully it’s important enough to motivate you to work for and earn it via increased exercise and healthier diet.
I’m no endocrinologist, but: obesity causes increased estrogen and decreased testosterone. Fast paced walked is the best fat burner. (not jogging/running - that builds the heart and lungs but doesn’t tend to burn fat well) Some foods and herbs can accelerate fat burning - like grapefruit, turmeric + black pepper etc.
Here’s a list of fat burning fruits: https://www.india.com/lifestyle/best-fr ... r-1738489/
Here’s another list of foods that speed up the metabolism: https://www.shape.com/healthy-eating/di ... metabolism
Surely there are countless other lists to google - but you get my point. There are healthy, attainable/affordable options to incorporate into your diet that will assist with your goals.
Exercise activity level doesn’t need to be intense or painful - just needs to be increased from what it is now. If that means a walk to the end of the block and back again vs a walk around the block, so be it - it’s a start. Rinse & repeat until it’s too easy and needs to be increased further, over and over again.
No need for intense weight training exercises. Just being in motion burning calories helps. Body weight exercises followed up with proper nutrients will build muscle and strength, and that increased muscle mass will help burn fat and change your body composition & hormone imbalances ever faster. The largest amount of naturally generated testosterone is going to come from working out your legs and glutes - very simple standing body weight squats are sufficient to achieve this. Over time the effectiveness increases with additional muscle mass.
Sure, it’s not the instant gratification of a pill or supplement that will “fix it now,” but it’s a far better longer term solution that’s certainly healthier all around - just takes time, effort, persistence, discipline and focus. Doesn’t necessarily have to cost a cent more than your current physical activity or grocery budget, just a reallocation of resources deployed towards things that will move you closer to your goals, but by bit, day by day, week by week, month by month and so on until you’re healthy enough to do the things you want to do with relative ease.

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Everyone else got to have fun at least at some point in their live, but I never did.
Why should I have to face reality and move on when nobody else had to?
I had intercourse less than 5 times in my life.
It was a great disappointment.
"Is that it?"

It wasn't something I am into and have a major philosophical problem with doing the nasty.
I have been with women but haven't rubbed wee wees for over 20 years.

And vow never to do it again.

Personally, as someone else said, people make too much about it.
Intercourse is an anti-climatic (pun intended) and a f*****g joke (pun intended), *imo*.
Society simply makes too much about it.
As Shakespeare said, "Much to do about nothing".

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/muc ... thing.html
You say that sex was disappointing for you. But then you on and on about how you never liked even the idea of it to begin with.
Excellent. Hopefully it’s important enough to motivate you to work for and earn it via increased exercise and healthier diet.
Its already too late no matter what I do.
My last relationship ended 11 years ago, and in all the years since then no woman has wanted to date me. Clearly, if it was possible for any woman to find me attractive someone would’ve in the past 11 years. And even when I was in a relationship, that was only me because my ex was specifically looking for someone emotionally vulnerable whom she could easily manipulate and abuse. This makes it clear to me that I simply have nothing to offer any woman who isn’t looking for someone she can easily exploit.
I’ve had online conversations with several women who explained what characteristics completely turn them off to a man. Those mostly consist of things like social awkwardness, lack (or perceived lack) of confidence, odd body language and struggling with eye contact, etc. So, basically general characteristics of people on the spectrum. Additionally, many have told me that they would never date a man who didn’t have sufficient “bedroom experience”. This means that the longer I remained single the less women wanted to date me, and I just continue to become less and less desirable as a partner as time passes and the gap in experience grows.
Plus, I’m already past the point where I’m not really interested in women my own age. Not for any shallow reason, but because of the widening gap in life experience. By my age, any woman would have been through at least one marriage and divorce and have multiple kids, some of whom would be old enough to be in high school by this point. And I don’t mind dating someone with little kids, but to suddenly be dealing with teenagers when I’ve never had kids is a bit too weird to me. I’ve never had kids and still spend my time either going to school or collecting comics and action figures. I wouldn’t be able to relate to or connect with someone who’s been handling the responsibility of being a parent for over a decade. I know that some younger ladies like older men. But what they’re thinking of is someone who has an established career, and above-average income, and social status; not an inept loser like myself. And besides, I would just feel really scummy dating a woman half my age.
And there’s the fact that there’s simply nobody left. In the 11 years since my last relationship ended, 99.9% of the women I’ve met anywhere I go are married or in relationships. And on the extremely rare occasions when I did meet a woman in the appropriate age range who was single, at least one of was unattracted to the other. I did try online dating. But in the ten years I was active on just about every dating site you can think of, only 5 women agreed to meet me. Of those, 4 lost all interest immediately after going out with me once. One went out with me on a second date, but there was just no chemistry and it led to nothing.
And finally, as my body gets older it just can’t do everything it used to. I don’t want to get graphic, but let’s just say that certain things don’t work like they used to anymore.
You are judging yourself really harshly.
As for the "bedroom experience". Imo, "experience" doesn't matter as much as sexual compatability. The number of times you had sex doesn't necessarily translate to "experience" either if that experience is very narrow for example. And you don't have to tell any woman that you are inexperienced. Even if they find out that you didn't have a girlfriend for the past 11 years, it doesn't automatically imply that you didn't enjoy the single life. And even if they know, it isn't guaranteed that it will be over then.
You say "By my age, any woman would have been through at least one marriage and divorce and have multiple kids, some of whom would be old enough to be in high school by this point". Ok. But about your fellow men, you say this "But what they’re thinking of is someone who has an established career, and above-average income, and social status; not an inept loser like myself." What if a younger woman thinks just like you and is deterred by someone with baggage, i.e. by a divorced man who has been burned, perhaps with emotional and/or financial bagagge and with teenage kids or kids who are close to her age (and their disapproval). What if some women would actually prefer the maturity that comes with your age (even if you think there's a gap between you and other people your age, you can't tell me you haven't matured in the past decades) and appreciate that you are not bitter or burdened and that she could even start a family with you. I dated a 40 year old "inexperienced" guy when I was 26 and I enjoyed that he wasn't childish yet still had a fresh outlook on life.
I agree that it is difficult on dating sites, and difficult for people on the spectrum too. But I don't think it's too late for you at all. Of course it's your decision if you want to give up. But I don't think that's really what you want. I also remember that I once briefly talked to a guy on a dating site, who was around your age, and he had just ended his first relationship that lasted a year or something. He told me that relationship showed him what he missed in life and motivated him to look for a new relationship and that he cannot be content with being single anymore. I wish you had a more positive outlook too.

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Then why bother with this thread stating problems and constraints if you have no interest in resolving & overcoming them?

Further, it’s only too late if you convince yourself such & believe what you think while severely depressed.
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Then why bother with this thread stating problems and constraints if you have no interest in resolving & overcoming them?

Further, it’s only too late if you convince yourself such & believe what you think while severely depressed.
No woman wants to date or marry a man 15 years older than her. That fact is beyond my control.
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the more you dwell upon that, the more pain you will have. it is best not to dwell upon things in life that make us feel worse. dwelling upon lack only brings more lack and more pain. i learned this only after decades of marinating in pain.
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Then why bother with this thread stating problems and constraints if you have no interest in resolving & overcoming them?

Further, it’s only too late if you convince yourself such & believe what you think while severely depressed.
No woman wants to date or marry a man 15 years older than her. That fact is beyond my control.
This is false BTW. A former coworker of mine and a friend of the family is definitely a counterexample. He brought the bride in her early 20s from abroad (his birth place in Europe) and he groomed her like there's no tomorrow. He's quite social and was in decent physical shape, even though he's not tall. Not a rich man either, he's an electronics repair technician. They have two kids who are finishing high school now, and have a lot of harmony in their relationship. They run a family business together.
You've mentioned marrying a woman from abroad as an option a few times now. It is an idea I actually quite like and have been seriously thinking about for years. The problem is that I do not possess the financial mean to afford to bring a woman from another country to the US.
I can't tell if this is what you meant, but grooming is a form of psychological abuse.
Your friend may not be a millionaire, but he had the means to relocate a woman from abroad.
And I don't know if he just got lucky, but there are many scammers who trick lonely American men into sending them all their savings. And I've heard a few stories of foreign women who used men to get here, then filed for divorce as soon as their naturalization was finalized.
Courted would be the right word, just couldn't think of the word.
You know, its possible that some of them might be okay financially, just wanting to live in the West. A lot of educated folks want to leave and go elsewhere.
I don't know how they met, but considering how social he is I can guess they were introduced somehow.
There's always some risk, but the trust should be built gradually. It's best if you find this person outside of the dating scene, this way you are less likely to encounter a trap.
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Then why bother with this thread stating problems and constraints if you have no interest in resolving & overcoming them?

Further, it’s only too late if you convince yourself such & believe what you think while severely depressed.
No woman wants to date or marry a man 15 years older than her. That fact is beyond my control.
That is not a fact.
Next bs to refute, please.

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With the rise of white nationalism and gun violence, I can't see how any educated person would want to come to this country. Canada or Europe are significantly better options.
Then why bother with this thread stating problems and constraints if you have no interest in resolving & overcoming them?

Further, it’s only too late if you convince yourself such & believe what you think while severely depressed.
No woman wants to date or marry a man 15 years older than her. That fact is beyond my control.
That is not a fact.
Next bs to refute, please.

Well, no woman I've ever met does. And many have expressed outright disgust with just the idea of it.
My understanding is that women who do like older men are looking for a Sugar Daddy.
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