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01 Jun 2011, 10:51 pm

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Both of you say that as if women dont manipulate men.

I dont manipulate men. I prefer to be straight up.

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01 Jun 2011, 10:53 pm

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But you either play the game or go home.

Or, you find someone who dislikes games.

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01 Jun 2011, 10:54 pm

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hyperlexian, you need to realize that we are told that we must prove ourselves with high social value and popularity to get the attention of a desirable female. because if women are having sex with a guy, it shows his desirability, and women want what is desirable, according to PUA stuff

PUA stuff says we must act alpha and make it clear to the woman that we are confident, popular, and will dominate her.

i know alot of the views we have are wrong, i feel that as a virgin myself, it will make women avoid me, as it would show that i am undesirable

well, the first thing that you should know is that men lower their standards drastically for one-night stands. time and again, studies have shown that men who want an easy lay will go for women who are less-good-looking, less fit, older, not as well-groomed, etc. than the women tthey consider ideal (or that they would want to actually date). PUA books don't really tell you that.

another point is that all of the women i know IRL avoid players like they are the plague. a little experience is cool, but a lot of experience is a big turn-off.

many women will get played *once* by a PUA, and it can do terrible things to her self-esteem, her sense of self-worth, her ability to trust people, and her views on men in general. sure there will be some women who just want to get laid, but not the majority of women a PUA will target.

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01 Jun 2011, 10:57 pm

zen_mistress wrote:

MXH wrote:

Both of you say that as if women dont manipulate men.

I dont manipulate men. I prefer to be straight up.

Straight up in what? Because if you mean straight up in sexual desires Im 100% sure its far easier for a woman to do that than for a guy. Ill ask you this, to all you women out there reading this. How many times have you "straight up" told a guy you wanted to have sex with him and he said no?

Now for the guys. How many times have you "straight up" told a girl you wanted to have sex with her and she said no?

Im sure we will get very different answers. You can disagree all you want but at the end of the day sexually it is easier to be a woman. Now women manipulate men not for sexual reasons, but other reasons. Ive had friends showmee their tricks to get guys to buy them drinks, give them cigarettes, etc.

EDIT: Like I said before. Im not taking sides here since both sides are wrong. There is no lesser of the evils.

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01 Jun 2011, 11:00 pm

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zen_mistress wrote:

MXH wrote:

Both of you say that as if women dont manipulate men.

I dont manipulate men. I prefer to be straight up.

I have had plenty of guys brush me off for a date, if I initiate things. And date generally leads to sex if you go on enough of them.

And I might add I am not really the kind of person who can flirt. I am too masculine in personality so I cant really get all slinky and flirtatious, it looks weird.

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01 Jun 2011, 11:01 pm

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You can do things your own way. But there is no acceptance in that. Hell look at me. People look down at me because ive never had a gf, or a sexual partner every day of my life. Hell even my parents and family members do. Am I in an urge to go and try every trick I know to bang someone and get it off me? No. Ive talked myself into and out of many things. But I dont feel right doing those things to hurt someone.

Now theres people out there that actually care what society thinks of them. Those are usually the ones that do the PUA things.

Pretty much the way I see it either learn to deal with the PUAs or change social standards so we dont need to be this way anymore.

EDIT: Let it be known im not supporting either side. In fact I think both sides are wrong. The PUAs and disgusted women both need to change and accept.

well, i understand it is tempting. it's supposed to be an easy way to get sex.

i do not like for women to manipulate men either. i have a female acquaintance who has had multiple partners support her financially. she manages to get them to buy her things and pay her bills. she is so flirty and vivacious and "on" all of the time that she is hardly like a real person around them. she makes me ill with her behaviour - she expects to be "kept" and maintained by her love interest. but this thread is about PUA lol

i just think there has to be a better way than crap like that.

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01 Jun 2011, 11:04 pm

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Im simply saying that before the same 4 women come here and gang up on the guys here you have to see it from our side. Its a side where everything is a contest won by more and more. Some have learned how to exploit this, being PUAs to win the game or people like your friend. Its just something that should not be happening at all.

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01 Jun 2011, 11:05 pm

I'm going to stand by what I said in that the PUA community is just a bunch of Douche Bags That Wear Furry Hats.

That said, ladies, those douchebags who wear furry hats would actually go away if women didn't fall for their s**t. Crappy as it is, douchebags that wear furry hats have more success than many of the guys here, myself included. So, some guys are actually desperate enough to listen to the douchebags with furry hats, because apparently, women like furry hats. We wouldn't have to listen to this crap if no women would sleep with said furry hatted douchebags. So part of the blame of this goes to the women who fall for this crap. I don't want to wear a furry hat, they look ridiculous.

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01 Jun 2011, 11:07 pm

zen_mistress wrote:

MXH wrote:

zen_mistress wrote:

MXH wrote:

Both of you say that as if women dont manipulate men.

I dont manipulate men. I prefer to be straight up.

I never said date, you said and I bold your quote. PUAs arent about dating, so that is out of the table. Maybe you havent told a guy without any games to have sex, but that doesnt mean others here havent.

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01 Jun 2011, 11:08 pm

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So part of the blame of this goes to the women who fall for this crap. I don't want to wear a furry hat, they look ridiculous.

What, so if someone is manipulated and deceived by someone using a rule book, it is their fault?

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01 Jun 2011, 11:09 pm

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Ill ask you this, to all you women out there reading this. How many times have you "straight up" told a guy you wanted to have sex with him and he said no?

humiliating to admit, but i've been turned down about 80% to 90% of the times i've offered****. i had a high strikeout rate as i tended to go for men who were higher "status" than me, as i ignore that nonsense (but they didn't ignore it, so to those men i was out of line).

but then... i've also turned down 98 to 99% of the men who offered to have sex with me.

yes, it is maybe easier for me to get sex than for a man. but it's not relevant unless that is all i want to get.

****and this is why i tell men who have been rejected that they just need to work past it and get over it. someone will eventually say yes if you don't let yourself get bitter or dejected about it.

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01 Jun 2011, 11:11 pm

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zen_mistress wrote:

MXH wrote:

zen_mistress wrote:

MXH wrote:

Both of you say that as if women dont manipulate men.

I dont manipulate men. I prefer to be straight up.

Dating is roughly equivalent to getting sex for a male as he has an inkling that he may get it if he sticks around for a few weeks. I have no interest in bedding a man I have just met so why would I ask him for that?

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01 Jun 2011, 11:12 pm

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GoatOnFire wrote:

So part of the blame of this goes to the women who fall for this crap. I don't want to wear a furry hat, they look ridiculous.

What, so if someone is manipulated and deceived by someone using a rule book, it is their fault?

Eventually the awareness level of this stuff is going to go up, hell they made a TV show about it. If women are aware of this and the furry hats' rate of success doesn't decline, then yes, it is their fault that they fall for it. Though at that point, it's not even falling for it.

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01 Jun 2011, 11:14 pm

But sadly, most women probably dont know about it yet, particularly women over 30. I only heard about it this week.

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01 Jun 2011, 11:14 pm

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MXH wrote:

Ill ask you this, to all you women out there reading this. How many times have you "straight up" told a guy you wanted to have sex with him and he said no?

Thats the thing. You may knowwhat rejection is like. Its not fun. Usually for guys like myself after rejection comes the humiliation of walking back to your group of friends with your tail between your legs and the ridicule afterwards.

Also, "yes, it is maybe easier for me to get sex than for a man. but it's not relevant unless that is all i want to get." Isnt a PUA all about having sex, no? Then it is quite relevant to this convo.

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01 Jun 2011, 11:16 pm

MXH wrote:

well, if there ever was a thread started by a woman which advocated that they should learn to better manipulate men.... well it would hopefully be annihilated by angry responses. such threads do not exist, however this is the umpteenth thread urging men to better manipulate women.

did you notice the number of men who disagree with the PUA techniques on this thread? their voices are not exactly being heard.

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