DataSage’s Alpha Male Guide to Meeting Women (JULY UPDATE!!)

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Okay,read all 15 pages and watched the video.

I'm not a woman nor was I present in the video situation, for the vibe. But as an outside man observer I can easily see that guy as a jerk. I can also see the women falling for it. Yes it works. But these are the relationships that end up leaving the woman embittered for the next guy. Why do women accept the bold approach? Why do men usually put looks over personality? Hardwired and unfathomable.

How loyal is a man going to be who can pick up women so well?

That's another hardwiring with men, as Chris Rock said wer'e only as loyal as our opportunities. I never saw teasing ( inuendos and touching)mentioned. In my past experience I put the saying "treat a woman like a cat" into use. The more you ignore(tease) her the more she'll put herself towards you physically.

When I beggining college I began to flirt with the most beautiful women because I had the confidence that they could never be interested in me. The more they pressed me the more I pushed them away thinking it was all in flirting. This happened a lot, and often I got involved sexually because I thought it was what was expected.

I was headstrong and it worked. But now at 35 I ask where are all those women now?

How many times did a woman say" You're not at all like I thought you were."?

The problem here is everything Datasage writes is true. He's approaching this very clinically. I looked at a few references and I'm sure that there are scores more that prove his point, my personal testimonial aside.

Men do this and will go on doing this untill women quit reacting to it.

On one hand people say up front they don't want games .. . .but then insist on playing them.

I noticed the more aware I started becoming of myself dating the less I would be headstrong. It eventually got to the point I put off women because they were moving too fast and I wanted to slow it down BECAUSE I liked them.

If I see someone now that I find attractive I can't jusify going up and saying "Hey meat!" I know that socially I'm supposed to but personally I no longer feel comfortable.

I wonder what a relationship with an AS woman would be like.Would there be understanding or infuriation? (I mean in comparison to AS/NT insanity =more/less?)I honestly would like to find out, if she's willing to take things slow.

I'm glad I read the whole 15 pages. Like a good novel my opinion went one way then another.
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My longest and lovliest relationship was a friendship first. Good friends for a year then something more for years and years after. I try to judge things by that now.

Yeah, I know...that was an ill-judged comment.

Bad day.

Ever got that? Or any other seriously negative
reaction? I've had a drink thrown on me, but
NOT for being too forward.

Lad ies if you're shooting down a guy it takes a lot less.

I remeber being insulted by a stripper after I spurned her advances. I was only there because a few friends went and found it very disaponting and not at all stimulating.

Take pity on us men, don't trust us, but pity us

Well, those games are pitiful and I agree 100% with Aridarr's comment that each person should be treated on their own merits.

Agreed, I think this does its best for guys like one of my friends in particular. He's already a social butterfly but had his intelligence hanging him up - his learning up on the cocky funny really just extended who he already was and being that he's a very difficult person to take negatively its perfect for him. If your a bit more of a naturally serious character though, sadder than it being misleading, I'd imagine women see the guy as seriously misleading himself and that's a really hard basis to start a good interaction from.[/quote]



The sad part is that the very reason such general advice as Dave DeAngelo's and such gets so much hype is because as messed up as so many people are being 'gameless' is almost a sure fire way to really be miserable - its a societal problem, pettiness and judgmental appraisal of others based sheerly on performance I think is something that's anchored to the deepest parts of our wiring by the fact that as animals, this is natural law at its strongest. The ugly part is that we do have higher cognition, more evolved emotions, and sadly while we seem to have souls even to a degree we're chained and shackled to this kind of behavior. That thought, to be true, is one that I think most people want to follow through on but they've seen that they just take punishment for it in the long run almost as though society treats it like a sign of weakness.



Very good idea, I won't even let myself really feel interested in someone unless I see that they've really pushed themselves to be better people than the rest of the pack. The only thing that sucks, with as much flash-judgment and necessity of instant performance which is placed on people (again, more vestiges of how our chromosomes enslave us) it makes it extremely hard to put that first when performance seems to be the one thing that makes or breaks off the start - especially for guys in the sense that societally we're still supposed to be the ones taking the initiative.



I think we're both, probably all here, not mad at each other but just furious with how badly the system that is fails us. Also, giving in to dating guru advice is when a guy is seriously taking a leap - has come through years of hardship to the understanding that he, for who he is, is not ok and won't be if he's his real self (the better traits especially) and he'll have friends kinda kicking him in the ribs about how his life is passing him by, how he's letting his life pass him by by being all wrapped in his morals, and that when he's 60, still single, and miserable the whole demon army of regrets that will be closing in on him will all be there because he was too naive and innocent to see reality for what it really was.

That probably sounds a little heavy but that's what I went through to a point with my own friends when they were trying to harden me into being a jerk and it seems that's the kind of kicking and hardening that most guys seem to go through; the real cement being that by all appearances the guys who are kicking them are absolutely right. When all the math starts adding up that they're right and your a weakling for being good, you really start to loath and hate all the qualities in yourself that show animalistic weakness (ie. the things that make you a good human being and all the positive values your parents taught you) because society does an incredibly good job of portraying your goodness as not only pathetic but almost like your dead, rotting, and don't even know it yet if your living in that sort of simple gullible reality.

very well put. jerks suceed financially, socially and sexually.

Not all women. Some women like to be the one in charge/the aggressor.

Last edited by SapphoWoman on 05 Sep 2007, 6:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I agree

Not all females. Gross over-generalization! I prefer to be the assertive one, and I like shy, more passive guys.

'Til someone bends a tire iron over
their head.

It's a great pity that people don't do this more often.

These women are also generally of the manipulative strain.

Or the independent and enjoyable type,
as opposed to simpering chattel. Ah,
guess it depends on your take.

Uh... yeah! I tend to think I am the independent and enjoyable type!

Being autistic, I tend NOT to be the manipulative type; just independent.

I think the problem most men have is that they are "in their own heads" when it comes to approaching and meeting women they like. They are thinking about it way too much, rather than just going up and actually saying "Hi". I think the answer is "baby steps"----get good at very small and basic parts like saying "hi" to a woman and maybe engaging in a little fluff talk, WITHOUT the intention of securing a date. I also think it's about a man's LIFE: Does he stay at home sulking about his lot in life, or does he go out and try new experiences and meet new people? While there are no guarentees a man will meet that someone special when he gets out of the house, his chances are obviously better.

While I myself am still struggling with these issues, I think taking small risks and moving out of the shell we men put around ourselves is the first step. I don't think seduction is a bad thing in and of itself. I think it is a value-neutral notion, that is, something that can either be abused or used for great personal growth. I don't think that teaching men how to be better in the company of the opposite sex is so horrible. What I DO find horrible is that so many men blame themselves for not being able to be better with them when it is not their fault at all. Being better socially with women is a SKILL like everything else, and when I hear women say to men who are struggling, "Oh, don't worry---that special girl will come along when you least expect it", I just want to respond, "No, being hit by a van happens when you least expect it!!". Men cannot rely on "luck".