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14 Jan 2019, 2:15 pm

I remember years ago we had an incel posting here and I used to sometimes troll him here because of what he would post about women here and blaming his rejection on women. I did that until I was warned and then I stopped. Months later he was banned for the exact behavior I was after which I was accused of wanting him to follow my standards by the mod who had warned me and yet she had finally banned him for the exact behavior I was after. Talk about hypocrisy. Then he stopped being an incel and admitted he was wrong for his actions and how he talked about women.


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14 Jan 2019, 2:20 pm

1692:
"Are you now or have you ever been involved in the practice of witchcraft?"

1775:
"Are you now or have you ever been a British Loyalist?"

1860:
"Are you now or have you ever been supporting the secession of states?"

1955:
"Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist party?"

2019:
"Are you now or have you ever been affiliated with the Incel movement?"

The more things change, the more they stay the same. :roll:



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14 Jan 2019, 2:36 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
1692:
"Are you now or have you ever been involved in the practice of witchcraft?"

1775:
"Are you now or have you ever been a British Loyalist?"

1860:
"Are you now or have you ever been supporting the secession of states?"

1955:
"Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist party?"

2019:
"Are you now or have you ever been affiliated with the Incel movement?"

The more things change, the more they stay the same. :roll:


You should bring a soapbox to declare your martyrdom from, some of us haven't noticed your self-proclaimed victimhood yet. Heaven forbid we refuse to coddle bitter, angry men who advocate for a violent ideology that has inspired terrorist attacks - those poor violent, antisocial manchildren need to be protected from reality and the society they actively plot to harm. :wink:

Edit: I believe I misinterpreted Aspie1's intentions.


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14 Jan 2019, 2:46 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
You should bring a soapbox to declare your martyrdom from, some of us haven't noticed your self-proclaimed victimhood yet. Heaven forbid we refuse to coddle bitter, angry men who advocate for a violent ideology that has inspired terrorist attacks - those poor violent, antisocial manchildren need to be protected from reality and the society they actively plot to harm. :wink:
That's not what I meant! I meant that every historical time period has its own boogeyman. Whether it's witches, Secessionists, or lonely men, it's all driven by the same mentality. It's human nature to seek out a common enemy.



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14 Jan 2019, 2:56 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
You should bring a soapbox to declare your martyrdom from, some of us haven't noticed your self-proclaimed victimhood yet. Heaven forbid we refuse to coddle bitter, angry men who advocate for a violent ideology that has inspired terrorist attacks - those poor violent, antisocial manchildren need to be protected from reality and the society they actively plot to harm. :wink:
That's not what I meant! I meant that every historical time period has its own bogeyman. Whether it's witches, Secessionists, or lonely men, it's all driven by the same mentality. It's human nature to seek out a common enemy.


Fair enough, but in that case I would argue Islamists are this generation's bogeymen - not incels. White supremacists would likely be the runner up behind Islamists, incels might not even make the top 5 (but would make the top 10).


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14 Jan 2019, 4:21 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
You should bring a soapbox to declare your martyrdom from, some of us haven't noticed your self-proclaimed victimhood yet. Heaven forbid we refuse to coddle bitter, angry men who advocate for a violent ideology that has inspired terrorist attacks - those poor violent, antisocial manchildren need to be protected from reality and the society they actively plot to harm. :wink:
That's not what I meant! I meant that every historical time period has its own bogeyman. Whether it's witches, Secessionists, or lonely men, it's all driven by the same mentality. It's human nature to seek out a common enemy.


Fair enough, but in that case I would argue Islamists are this generation's bogeymen - not incels. White supremacists would likely be the runner up behind Islamists, incels might not even make the top 5 (but would make the top 10).


He thinks incels are unfairly made "bogeymen" here on WrongPlanet, that they shouldn't be banned for trolling and spreading violent misogynistic ideology. That's what he's saying. He's into the Redpill/PUA, which is right next door to incels, their ideologies overlap quite a bit--that's why he's defending them. He also think therapy is a scam, which is another common incel talking point on their forums. The incel subreddit actually has a bot that comes up any time anyone mentions the word therapy and says that therapy is a lie and a scam that can never help them. It's one of the things that makes that community so dangerous, how they discourage anyone who wanders into their mental trap from seeking outside help of any kind.



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14 Jan 2019, 11:14 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
He thinks incels are unfairly made "bogeymen" here on WrongPlanet, that they shouldn't be banned for trolling and spreading violent misogynistic ideology. That's what he's saying. He's into the Redpill/PUA, which is right next door to incels, their ideologies overlap quite a bit--that's why he's defending them. He also think therapy is a scam, which is another common incel talking point on their forums. The incel subreddit actually has a bot that comes up any time anyone mentions the word therapy and says that therapy is a lie and a scam that can never help them. It's one of the things that makes that community so dangerous, how they discourage anyone who wanders into their mental trap from seeking outside help of any kind.
Well, I'd rather be a maligned Red Piller, than someone who's brainwashed by the therapy industry. Talking about your "fee-hee-hee-lings" was never meant to make you feel better. It's actually designed to make you feel worse, to make you dwell on your "feelings" in order to further depress, demean, and retraumatize you. The end goal is to make you a permanent patient, in order to extract money from you and your insurance company.

Consider Freudian therapy. It was very patient-centered and far from perfect, but at least it was honest. It was never meant to function as a money-making racket. Freud himself never grilled his patients about their feelings. He just let them lie in a couch facing away from him and ramble about whatever popped in their heads. American therapists hijacked Freud's methodology, changed it around, and adopted it as a moneymaking business for themselves. At least the Red Pill authors don't charge people for their writings. So it's pretty debatable who's worse.



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15 Jan 2019, 12:16 am

Incels clearly are unfairly treated on this forum though. By the very fact that it appears to be that the official forum definition of an Incel is a violent misogynist not someone who is involuntary celibate.



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15 Jan 2019, 1:37 am

SilentJessica wrote:
Another giveaway can be posts about jawlines/chins or avatars of men they think are ugly.

Well jawlines/chins can have a fair impact on someone's appearance, but my general philosophy for guys at least is if you can see your chin, your beard isn't long enough. I have a weak chin, but it's hard to be concerned about it when I never see it anyway, though I'd imagine I might be a bit more self-conscious about it if my face was bare.



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15 Jan 2019, 2:04 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
He also think therapy is a scam, which is another common incel talking point on their forums. The incel subreddit actually has a bot that comes up any time anyone mentions the word therapy and says that therapy is a lie and a scam that can never help them. It's one of the things that makes that community so dangerous, how they discourage anyone who wanders into their mental trap from seeking outside help of any kind.

Therapy can help some people, and I definitely think it's worth a try if you're depressed and have never tried it, but it doesn't work for everyone, or every problem. For people who want their feelings validated or a shoulder to cry on, therapy can be quite useful, but therapists are not always equipped to handle certain practical problems in a person's life. Therapists are great for dispelling irrational fears or beliefs, but depression isn't always based on irrational fear or beliefs, sometimes it boils down to not being able to get what you want out of life, like romantic or sexual experiences for instance. Therapy is quite limited in how it can help someone get a girlfriend, and if the depression comes from being chronically single, the best the therapist can hope to do is make their patient feel heard, their emotions validated, try to help them cope and try to offer tips that may or may not help their patient find love. These things can help but if the patient is still lonely, the core problem will persist.

In saying that, I do think some incels could benefit from therapy to dispel the irrational beliefs they have about women choosing not to be with them out of malice, and that they therefore deserve punishment. They may also be able to improve on their social skills and in some cases, self-image, but if romantic isolation is a big issue for them, and after correcting their cognitive distortions, they still remain isolated at that capacity, then a therapist can't do much.

(Hetero) Men who desire romance and companionship can't be talked out of wanting to pair with women, and if they can't pair with a compatible woman ever, then in my experience and observations, depression is almost always inevitable.



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15 Jan 2019, 2:22 am

But therapy can help you to focus on working towards other goals in life.

Love isn't everything. Some people will not find partners. That's just life. They need to be able to cope with that and find other meaning in their lives.



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But therapy can help you to focus on working towards other goals in life.

Love isn't everything. Some people will not find partners. That's just life. They need to be able to cope with that and find other meaning in their lives.

They don't need to be able to cope with anything of the sort. Not everybody has the capacity to cope with being left out of the dating game forever whilst simultaneously seeing love, dating and sex all around us. Some of us would rather die than never experience romantic love and never have a partner in our lifetimes. If I somehow looked into a crystal ball and saw that I would never get a girlfriend throughout the entirety of my life, I'd kill myself. Maybe that kind of life can be worth living for other people, but not for me.



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15 Jan 2019, 3:24 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
You should bring a soapbox to declare your martyrdom from, some of us haven't noticed your self-proclaimed victimhood yet. Heaven forbid we refuse to coddle bitter, angry men who advocate for a violent ideology that has inspired terrorist attacks - those poor violent, antisocial manchildren need to be protected from reality and the society they actively plot to harm. :wink:
That's not what I meant! I meant that every historical time period has its own bogeyman. Whether it's witches, Secessionists, or lonely men, it's all driven by the same mentality. It's human nature to seek out a common enemy.


Fair enough, but in that case I would argue Islamists are this generation's bogeymen - not incels. White supremacists would likely be the runner up behind Islamists, incels might not even make the top 5 (but would make the top 10).


He thinks incels are unfairly made "bogeymen" here on WrongPlanet, that they shouldn't be banned for trolling and spreading violent misogynistic ideology. That's what he's saying. He's into the Redpill/PUA, which is right next door to incels, their ideologies overlap quite a bit--that's why he's defending them. He also think therapy is a scam, which is another common incel talking point on their forums. The incel subreddit actually has a bot that comes up any time anyone mentions the word therapy and says that therapy is a lie and a scam that can never help them. It's one of the things that makes that community so dangerous, how they discourage anyone who wanders into their mental trap from seeking outside help of any kind.


I'm familiar with the various strains of toxic anti-feminism, it's something I used to post about quite a bit.

Basically, incels are kind of like a black hole, which basically is formed from hopelessness collapsed in on itself and that once drawn within the movement's event horizon it's generally believed nothing of value ever can escape.


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The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
But therapy can help you to focus on working towards other goals in life.

Love isn't everything. Some people will not find partners. That's just life. They need to be able to cope with that and find other meaning in their lives.

They don't need to be able to cope with anything of the sort. Not everybody has the capacity to cope with being left out of the dating game forever whilst simultaneously seeing love, dating and sex all around us. Some of us would rather die than never experience romantic love and never have a partner in our lifetimes. If I somehow looked into a crystal ball and saw that I would never get a girlfriend throughout the entirety of my life, I'd kill myself. Maybe that kind of life can be worth living for other people, but not for me.


So basically, don't ask incels to not fixate on their failures and shortcomings that behaviour is their sole purpose for existing? There's a reason such notions might be frowned by those who aren't utterly consumed by self-loathing and self-pity.


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15 Jan 2019, 3:34 am

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Incels clearly are unfairly treated on this forum though. By the very fact that it appears to be that the official forum definition of an Incel is a violent misogynist not someone who is involuntary celibate.


That's kind of like complaining that 'Islamist' often used synonymously with 'Islamist terrorist' or 'supporter or sympathizer of Islamist motivated terrorist'.

It's not really unfair to remind you that the ideology in most people's minds is tainted by connection to terrorists inspired by the ideology spread by people who identify with the term Incel. Just like Islamists and Communists and Nationalists are often defined by the worst elements acting under those labels, same with Incels and as long as misogynistic terrorist acts are perpetrated by those who self-identify as Incels, incels who reject those acts need to make sure they're heard condemning them.


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15 Jan 2019, 3:40 am

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Let's celebrate the superiority of our ideas by calling everyone who disagrees a cuck.


Isn't 'cuck' an Incel terminology? You may get arrested for using it! :mrgreen:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/com ... dy_who_is/

*IncelTearms is a forum to mock Incels.